Talk:Ruyi Jingu Bang

Weight inconsistency
This article says its weight translates to 8100 kg then in the next sentence that its weight translates to 8500kg. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.247.86 (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

the novels are famous for 1 thing. there inconsistancy. which considering how the chapters jump from 1 time to another i guess is not a major thing. as for the weight issue though the only logical assumption is that as its size increase so to does the mass meaning that when its super long/wide it would weight 8500kg where as a normal staff is proball closer to the 8100kg. either way more than enough to kill a man and knock downa demon if it was swung at them. 152.91.9.153 (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Tracking this down, relevant edits are:


 * 03:40, 18 May 2011 by 98.223.27.239 : Added "/17,820 lbs"
 * 03:40, 29 December 2010 and 03:43, 29 December 2010 by 66.203.239.201 : Changed to "in modern measurements, it is slightly heavier than 8.5 metric tons"
 * 20:14, 12 May 2010 by 98.223.27.239 : Added "(8,100 kg)"
 * 06:22, 26 April 2009 by 60.238.148.135 : Added "(weighing "13,500 jīn")"
 * 13:25, 25 March 2008 by Ryukaiel : Added "It is immensely heavy; in modern measurements, it is slightly weightier than 7.5 metric tons, which is why it is feared by many deities and demons as the ultimate beating weapon to be killed by."

None are sourced and the only registered user involved was last active 5 years ago. 60.238.148.135's contributions seem reasonable, so I am changing the text to read:


 * It is immensely heavy, weighing "13,500 jīn" (8,100 kg/17,800 lbs).


 * But a source is desired. -- ToE 11:53, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added a more accurate weight for the staff based on historical units of measure. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Date of Publication
It sounds like inconsiderate national jingoism on behalf of the Japanese to say something like they have a "predecessor" of Journey to the West, even going so far to say it dates back to the 13th century.

I thought Journey to the West is published in 16th century?

To answer your question, the novel that was written by Wu Cheng'en was published in 1592.

Journey to the West is the culmination of an oral storytelling and literary cycle revolving around the pilgrimage of Xuanzang to India and Monkey Pilgrim/Monkey King. There are two main printed narratives that we have that predate the 1592 novel Journey to the West.

The first is a 13th century novelette "The Story of How the Monk Tripitaka of the Great Country of Tang Brought back the Sutras" (Datang Sanzang qujing shihua, 大唐三藏取經詩話), which can be found in English in The Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature (edited by Victor H. Mair, Copyright © 1994 Columbia University Press; pg. 1181-1207). It is often called the Kōzanji version because, as Note 6 says, two editions are mentioned in a 1633 catalog held by said temple, alerting scholars to the novelette’s existence. It is the oldest printed version of the cycle that we have.

The second is the early-Ming zaju play Journey to the West Zaju (Xiyou ji zaju, 西遊記雜劇). An English summary and discussion can be found Ning’s (1986) Comic Elements in the Xiyouji Zaju. It is also discussed in Dunbridge’s The Hsi-yu chi: A Study of Antecedents to the Sixteenth-Century Chinese Novel(Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press. 1970.)

Here are links to both in Chinese: 2601:41:C201:D79A:4CCB:FB9:5397:5FFF (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Luminece
 * 大唐三藏取經詩話 - https://ctext.org/wiki.pl?if=gb&chapter=573452
 * 西遊記雜劇, listed as 西游記戲文 - https://ctext.org/wiki.pl?if=gb&chapter=140106

Identity as a Pillar
Can anyone clarify whether the JinguBang was actually supporting something like a pillar normally would, or is it just called a pillar only because of its shape, not its function? I thought the latter was the case, being stuck in the bottom of the sea, used to be used by the deity Bangu to measure the depth of floods and roll the lands flat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.64.166.224 (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesn't support anything. It is just described as a pillar (I've suggested elsewhere that this could have been based on the famous Delhi Iron Pillar). I believe the notion that it supported the milky way galaxy is based on a mistranslation from the W.J.F. Jenner edition. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 20:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Warframe
The Ruyi Jingu Bang appears as the exalted weapon of the warframe Wukong in Digital Extremes' game Warframe. The ability in particular is called Primal Fury. Legowerewolf (talk) 05:27, 25 May 2019 (UTC)