Talk:Ryan Day (snooker player)

Requested move 9 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: Ryan Day moved to Ryan Day (snooker player) and created Ryan Day (disambiguation). It's a new Day at Ohio State, but not yet worldwide. Maybe try for PT again, after he beats the Team Up North. :) – wbm1058 (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

– The American football coach is undoubtedly the more recognizable subject here, and should become the primary target. The football coach is about to undergo his first season as head football coach at Ohio State, one of the most prominent football programs in the United States. The football coach already outmatches pageviews in the last 30 days by a 7,515 to 1,324 ratio, and this is in the dead of the football offseason. The previous Ohio State head coach, Urban Meyer, was averaging literally hundreds of thousands of page views during the previous football season. Granted, Meyer was surrounded in controversy at times and was also retiring. But Ryan Day (the head coach) will undoubtedly receive immense media attention in the coming months, far outstripping the snooker player. Ostealthy (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ryan Day → Ryan Day (snooker player)
 * Ryan Day (American football) → Ryan Day
 * Support first per |Ryan_Day_(American_football) per page views yes, but per second criteria of WP:PT not so sure. Is American football more culturally significant than snooker? REDIRECT Ryan Day (musician) goes to Welsh band. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose page views aren't everything, especially as this is likely a recentism. Day has been in the top 16 players in a sport for years. It certainly isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. I'd suggest having Ryan Day as the disambiguation, as neither is the primary topic. note the proper disambig for snooker articles is Ryan Day (snooker player) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Lee and In ictu oculi: consider the following additional context. A google search of "Ryan Day Ohio State" returns 71 million results, while "Ryan Day snooker" returns 3 million. Ryan Day (snooker) lists a total career earnings of £1,609,115 over a 15 year period. Ryan Day (coach) will earn $22 million over the next 5 years. In the month that Day was announced as Ohio State's next head coach, the coach received |Ryan_Day 151,000 views to the snooker player's 12,000. The coach, at Ohio State, will be joining the likes of Nick Saban, Dabo Swinney, Jim Harbaugh, and Lincoln Riley in terms of American college football relevance. |Nick_Saban|Dabo_Swinney|Jim_Harbaugh|Lincoln_Riley These coaches receive hundreds of thousands of page views during the fall of each year. I acknowledge that establishing the coach as the primary topic involves a bit of crystal ball-ism, but I assure you anyone familiar with college football can see the incoming wave of relevance arriving. Ostealthy (talk) 09:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned WP:CRYSTALBALL. He may well become the primary topic, but I don't think he significantly outweighs the rest of the disambig. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Verbatim. Yeah but these aren't books. The fact that you've just said "a bit of crystal ball-ism" just means WP:TOOSOON. In any case primary flips are a bad idea. Better go with Ryan Day (disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose Per Lee Vilenski, the snooker player still gets significant coverage so making Ryan Day a disambiguation page would seem logical. As to "long-term significance", comparing a leading professional snooker player with a American Football head coach of a leading college is not easy but personally I'm struggling to find either the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Nigej (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support first, oppose second and create dab page. Until a year ago it was the snooker player who was getting more page views and it remains to be seen how popular the football coach will be in the long term. No basis for making a primary topic switch, but perhaps sensible to disambiguate. PC78 (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The stats on this Wikipedia may have started to favor the American guy, but they are always going to favor a popular sport in the largest-English speaking country. Snooker is well-watched in China and across Europe so I wouldn't be surprised if the snooker player had more international recognition if we accounted for non-English language sources too. For example, the snooker player has articles on 20 editions of Wikipedia across the world, whereas the football player seems to be confined to just this edition. The snooker player also has a superior sporting record: four professional titles and a quarter-finalist in the world championship, and was once ranked 6th in the world. The coach's annual earnings dwarf even those of Ronnie O'Sullivan but I don't think it can be argued he is more notable in terms of his record, international standing and inherent encyclopedic value. That said I could live with "plan B" and disambiguate both of them, because the snooker player isn't exactly a top-tier pro in the mould of an O'Sullivan or Trump. Betty Logan (talk) 22:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support first and oppose second per arguments above, leaving Ryan Day as a disambiguation page. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 00:23, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose DAB page at base name. There are only two uses of this name; sending everyone to the DAB page helps no one. By leaving the snooker player at the base name, or by moving the coach there, at least everyone looking for that person will be taken directly to the page they seek, and the remainder will be only one click away, no worse than if they were taken to a DAB page. I see no benefit to anyone from creating a two entry DAB page and placing it at the base name. As to which of the two should be at the base name, I see leave it as is per WP:TITLECHANGES, so oppose both move proposals, but moving the coach to the base name as proposed would be far preferable to putting a useless and pointless DAB there. --В²C ☎ 17:17, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We also have a redirect at Ryan Day (musician) which would be covered by the dab page. Nigej (talk) 14:39, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


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