Talk:Ryan Getzlaf/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Shudde (talk · contribs) 01:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll have a go at this one. I'll add comments as I read through the article. I do the lead last. I'll then do a few spotchecks of the references. Not every comment I make will necessarily need to be addressed to meet the GA criteria, but I figure if I'm going to give a review, I may as well offer any comments/constructive criticism I can. Hopefully this is not a problem. Any questions feel free to ask, or if it's urgent, to ping me. -- Shudde  talk 01:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

More to come. -- Shudde  talk 01:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Junior
 * "After developing with the Regina Bantam AAA Rangers," -- what is developing?
 * "Getzlaf was drafted into the Western Hockey League (WHL) by the Calgary Hitmen with the 54th pick in the 2000 WHL Bantam Draft." -- may want to add, or link (to WHL Bantam Draft?) to something for those unfamiliar with a draft.
 * "He stood five feet, nine inches tall at the time of the draft, but grew six inches by the time he joined the team as a 16-year-old." -- would it be good to add some metric conversions here as per MOS:CONVERSIONS?
 * "The Mighty Ducks returned " -- again "returned" may confuse some people. Is this the equivalent to a loan?
 * Essentially yes, but this is hard to explain to someone unfamiliar with the relationship between the NHL, it's minor leagues, junior leagues and Europe in the space of a player article. Very few players make the NHL right out of the draft, so end up returned to their junior teams.  It isn't a "loan" in the way you would think of it, so I avoid that terminology. Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "He remained the team's leader throughout" -- what is meant by leader here, because he wasn't captain
 * "a period of time" -- more specific?
 * Unknown. None of the stories I have on it give dates or number of games missed.  I did simplify down to "missed time". Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Anaheim Ducks
 * "the Ducks named Getzlaf the eighth captain in team history prior to the 2010–11 season" -- this is a little unclear -- could use rewording
 * "After recording a career-high total of 31 goals and finishing second in the league with 87 points in 2013–14, Getzlaf was named a finalist for the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL's most valuable player for the first time in his career, along with being named to the Second NHL All-Star Team." -- this reads a little clunky. Maybe it's all the "ings". How about "During 2013–14 Getzlaf recorded a career-high total of 31 goals and finished second in the league with 87 points, was a finalist for the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL's most valuable player for the first time, and was also named to the Second NHL All-Star Team." -- not sure if this works. But there is something funny about the sentence as is.


 * International
 * "gold medal at the U18 level" -- drop "the"?
 * I think that would leave it as an awkward sentence fragment. At least in terms of Canadian/North American English. Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Getzlaf had six points" -- how about "He had six points" to avoid close repetition of Getzlaf
 * "to add an insurance goal" -- insurance goal may be a little jargony or colloquial. I assume it means another goal to remove any chance of a come-back?
 * Yup, but changed. Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Playing style
 * "The duo, who have been called the "twins" in Anaheim, have played together since being drafted by Anaheim in 2003." -- close repetition of Anaheim


 * Other
 * Why does Awards and honours have things like the Stanley Cup, but not Olympics?
 * Olympics are listed in the medal box
 * "10, October 24–November 140, 1999 (tied with Corey Perry)" -- this is the wrong year surely
 * fixed. Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly sure November had only 30 days in both 1999 and 2009 65.95.106.84 (talk) 03:01, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Clearly I had a bad day when I wrote that table. Thanks for catching that. Resolute 14:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * There are a few duplicate links you may want to remove.


 * Lead
 * No issues with the lead. Could possibly be expanded, but doesn't omit anything I'd expect to find there.


 * Images
 * Ryan Getzlaf 2010.png -- no problems
 * Ryan Getzlaf Ducks 2012-02-15.JPG -- no problems
 * This doesn't have alt text -- not a GA requirement, but would be good
 * Actually, it did. Is it not showing up? Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Kesler Getzlaf faceoff.jpg -- from Flickr, appropriately licensed

I'll do a spotcheck of sources soon. -- Shudde  talk 03:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

What I'll do here is select some random footnotes, and check that the source reflects the statement, and that there is no close-paraphrasing.
 * Sources
 * [2] -- no problems here, supports both sentences
 * [5] -- statistics page, so no need to check close-paraphrasing. 5b -- 51 or 52 games; 5d -- 18 games for the Pirates?; 5d -- "in all 82 games " "regular-season games"?; I'll get you to heck 5g and 5h
 * [11] -- is a dead link; archive exists though. Supports statement.
 * [12] -- don't have access so will AGF
 * [19] -- ditto
 * [23] -- supports statement; quote is accurate
 * [25] -- also dead. archive found. Supports statement.
 * [33] -- will AGF
 * [45] -- looks like this is an agency piece. Not sure about this. The reference supports him being appointed the position, but not that he retained it (in theory he could have been appointed captain and then lost the position).
 * [50] -- source supports statement.
 * [53] -- no access. Will AGF.
 * [59] -- source does not support the statement "His participation with charity causes ... earned Getzlaf a nomination". It's possibly implied, but not at all explicit. Supports that he was nominated for the award, but does not really go into specifics regarding exactly why he received the nomination.


 * Seems to be a problem with ref 41.
 * Both of the ESPN links you mention as dead are coming up for me. Can you double check? Perhaps you just caught it when ESPN was doing some maintenance?  Ref 41 (now 43) is an annoying thing the IIHF does with its URLs. Replaced entirely. Reworded 59 and moved up into the playing style section. Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay all done now. I'll out the article on hold. It's up to your usual high standard. Really only minor things that need to be addressed. If you have any questions feel free to ping me. Cheers. -- Shudde  talk 03:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Everything should be addressed, comments above where necessary. Thanks for the review! Resolute 14:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool. Great work, article is in good shape and was an easy read. I'll pass the article, but could you check the figures/stats you got from ref 5? I think there may be a couple of errors (as listed above), but I could be wrong so I'll trust you to work all that out. -- Shudde  talk 10:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I missed that the first time around. Looks like I fat fingered two of those, but the rest appear to check out.  Thanks! Resolute 18:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)