Talk:Ryan Giggs/Archive 1

last revert
Just reverted to a previous edit to fix a few things :) Giggs began his career at City, not United, as an edit claimed. Also, while the added info on Giggs' goal against Arsenal might be seen as a nice addition, it is probably too in depth and not entirely fitting for this article. A wikipedia entry on United's treble-winning season might be an idea, if looking for a place to put that kind of stuff.

minor point
The previous edit states "perhaps the most spectacular goal the FA Cup has ever seen against Arsenal F.C. in 1999, watching which, a television commentator promptly cried out on air "The boy is a genius".". While that was said about him, it wasn't in that match; See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4587859689482032162, last clip (approx 10 seconds from the end). Not sure what match it's from, but it's clearly from a long time before '99! made lots of other minor changes which are more style-oriented than factual. Imran1985 19:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

New Changes
Hi all, what do you think of the changes I made? Re-wrote the whole article and organised it. Finally an article worthy of describing Giggs Stephanie

I don't think there should be a link to the League of Wales because, to the best of my knowledge Giggs has never played in it and Welsh national football team follows the convention of national football teams. See English national football team. Therefore, I'm going to change the link back to Wnft. SimonMayer 14:50 21st February 2004 (GMT/UTC)


 * Good point. Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks for reverting it. :) Angela. 14:52, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)

Should the PFA Young Player really have Giggs preceded by "Current Holder"?

Not sure how to edit the page, but it says in the article that "Giggs currently plays for Manchester United F.C., where he is the most decorated and its longest serving player in history". I think there is a slight error in that, due to the fact that Sir Bobby Charlton has made the most appearances in Manchester United's history. Maybe it would be best to say that he is the longest serving current player at the club. --67.77.208.112 17:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Katie

Why not add his photo?
I think a life history should have one personal photo.
 * Yes, but you try finding a decent photo of a sportsman which isn't covered by someone's copyright and hence is unacceptable to Wikipedia. Basically a Wikipedian would have to take a photo himself and donate it to the project. -- Arwel (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Is he really from sierra leone?
Why is it on the BBC website that he is of African origin? Details of his father are really vague. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/3151583.stm
 * Huh? Where do you see him on that page? It's nonsense. -- Arwel (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Arwell, That BBC page has been edited to remove ryan giggs, luckily there are others that copied the link from BBC and you can find them here http://www.thereggaeboyz.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015458.html http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/1309.html

and also some forums where this topic was generated by the bbc page before it was edited

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/cag/pages/black_history_month_images_2.shtml http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1369862.stm http://www.redcafe.net/printthread.php?t=2229

grandfather from Sierra Leone http://www.dragonsoccer.co.uk/board/index.php?forum=30&topic=46 and so much more, I just presented a few that look credible enough... not that it is really important where he comes from, I dont think you should call it nonsense that he could be from there. But note that players of African descent have made a difference to English footbal and will continue to do so, no matter what. Edited by Chubado 10.01.2006


 * Thank you for the references, Chubado, though I'm always doubtful of references which are just chat boards (even if operated by the BBC!). In any case, I still maintain that it's nonsense to claim that he's "from Sierra Leone" as it's extremely well documented that he's from Cardiff and lived in Manchester from age 7; it would be more correct to claim that he was eligible to play for Sierra Leone at one stage, though he's never left any doubt of where his loyalties lie. I would like a more definitive source on this claim though, but I haven't read any biographies of Ryan, or of Danny Wilson, his dad. -- Arwel (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Daughter?
Doesn't he have a daughter named Liberty or something like that? I mean, I don't think there needs to be a whole lot written about it, but just possibly mention it. -Marie

is he captain of wales?
if so, it should defently be mentioned somewhere!-- HamedogTalk 03:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Phil Neville
I've added Philip Neville to the Gigg's fellow "young colleagues". I know there is more of an age gap between the two than Beckham and co but I still felt it worthy of inclusion. After all, wasn't there only a season's difference between the Manchester United and England debuts of Gary and Phil? If anyone still wants to revert it then feel free. hedpeguyuk 09:37 18 May 2006 (UTC)

On Fact-Checking and article clean-up
I've gone through and done a fairly thorough copy-edit of this article. I've taken out quite a bunch of descriptors so that it would fit the NPOV requirement of Wikipedia. I've tried to make it more encyclopaedic as well. I merely know of Giggs and so am not a fan or critic, merely a neutral party coming in to make the article seem less fannish and more encyclopaedic. A few notes: -There seem to be an inordinate amount of quotes from newspapers and the like about Giggs' and his career, and I'm wondering if all of those are really needed? Per haps they can be listed under a separate section entitled "Quotes on Giggs" or something of that sort. -I would really appreciate somebody to go through my copy-edits to make sure that I haven't unintentionally changed some fact or other about Giggs during the edit. -I have noticed a bunch of commented out images within the body of the article citing copyright issues, should those images be deleted altogether? If any further discussion of my changes to this article needs to be clarified, and I do not respond, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks! yueni 20:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Goal against Basque
The game (and goal) against Basque doesn't count, right, because Basque isn't a member of FIFA? Should there be a footnote saying "plus one goal against Basqueland, not affiliated to FIFA"? --Thewayforward 11:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Giggs' Father
Ryan Giggs father was a noted rugby league player called danny wilson. I dislike the use of the term black here, so i am removing it. Wilson was mixed race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.35.93 (talk • contribs)
 * Why isn't his name Wilson the? Bona Fides 13:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As it says under Personal life, he didn't get on with his dad. - Arwel (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So let me get this straight, you're 'uncomfortable' with the term black, and are removing it, yet Giggs himself is proud and refers to his father as a black man, who the hell are you to say otherwise? . July 10, 2006 23:10{UTC}
 * Learn how to indent comments properly. I did not make the original comment in this section. -- Arwel (talk) 19:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How can his father be of mixed race since later in the article it is said, all his four grandparents are welsh. So which one is true --Ageo020 04:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What has the fact that all four of his grandparents were Welsh got to do with anything - they could have still been born in Wales? Steve-Ho 12:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Appearances
I think there is a mistake with regards to Giggs' appearances for United. It states that he had only 474 appearances for United...but then later in the article, it is stated that he is one of the few United players to have played more than 600 games. So how many has he played?
 * The figures in player infoboxes are for League appearances only. Obviously Giggs has played plenty of Cup and Champions League matches in addition. -- Arwel (talk) 19:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Legend at Young Age?
Is it true that Ryan Giggs became a legend at the age of 24 in 1998 after 8 years with Manchester United? Because that's what it said in my PC Game: Championship Manager Season 00-01- SCB &#39;92 12:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He is both a legend and a LAD!-- HamedogTalk|@ 13:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Nationality
Shouldn't he be listed as a Welsh football player? User:Zoe|(talk) 20:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture?
Can we get a picture here?


 * We really need a picture on this article... Anyone have one? -- [|.K.Z|]  [|.Z.K|]   07:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Memorable goals
Not sure where these have come from, but there's a few errors. Giggs didn't score at all against Tottenham in 1994 (nor in season 1993-94) - maybe the author was thinking of his goal in autumn 1992 (season 1992-93)? Neither did he score against Coventry in 1996. He scored the opener at Highfield Road (Coventry) in early 1997, but can't recall how memorable this goal was.Cantona7 17:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)