Talk:Ryan Shapiro

Images
I found a good image here for Ryan: http://thenailthatsticksup.com/2012/08/10/ask-me-why-im-vegetarian-ar-2012-guest-post/ Currently, the image is posted under the CrimethInc. N©! license. While N© is based on the Creative Commons, unfortunately it heavily restricts corporate use, and makes no distinction between a non-profit like Wikipedia and a for-profit like, just as an example, News Corp. I have emailed the admin for that site explaining the situation and linking to this page in the hopes he will allow reproduction or upload the image here. If he disagrees, I think the only other option would be to contact Mr Shapiro directly for a request of a non-licensed image. While there are quite a few images of him on the web, they all seem to be owned by news papers AFAICT. Jay Dubya (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Related to Paul Shapiro?
Paul Shapiro is the Vice President of farm animal protection for the US Humane Society, and three years younger than Ryan. Are these two family? Jay Dubya (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've confirmed they are in fact brothers. Unfortunately, I've confirmed it through Twitter - the vestigial limb of the internet: :https://twitter.com/pshapiro/status/423487937263575040
 * Continuing to look for an RS ... Jay Dubya (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * RS located. Obit for grandfather (sadly). Listing and updating:
 * http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Edward-Shapiro&lc=4927&pid=161031790&mid=5303625 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaydubya93 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Note on Legal References
Following are some notes about my methods for acquiring references on this article. These notes cover issues that are not addressed within Wikipedia policy, but are still relevant.

Currently Federal Courts publish case filings electronically using PACER. Where possible, I strive to provide a full Template:Cite_court, however only in such circumstances where the filings are publicly available. Given the nature of this article I feel it is antithetical to provide citations to documents that require the approval of the Federal government to access by way of payment or a prior arrangement with the court. Everyone should be able to confirm this article's research, not just lawyers or for that matter someone with a credit card.

Sometimes PACER provides documents publicly - with "no strings attached" - usually for highly publicized decisions. However, much of this article covers cases that are ongoing, or references filings other than decisions, like declarations or Amicus briefs. Before a case has a decision, not enough information is available for the Cite_court template (it hasnt yet made it to a court reporter, has no pinpoint, etc). And PACER typically places non-decision filings behind a pay-wall. Where this is the case I have preferred to link to a major newspaper's publication of that filing if it exists. The Wall Street Journal has had quite a few of this filings in toto on their site. If I can't get the documents there, I will link to a cite like plainsite only when the themselves are hosting the documents, otherwise I will link to the original source.

Before I began working on this article, number of documents were listed in the reflist pointing to filings hosted at http://s3.documentcloud.org/. These documents should be treated with skepticism and not as reliable sources. At the first available opportunity, they should be replaced.

Finally, I have treated law enforcement websites as fundamentally untrusted for the purposes of this article. This is not due to POV, but because the Department of Justice has a direct, adversarial relationship with the subject of this article. Just as Shapiro's personal website is not an RS for the FBI, the FBI's website is not an RS for Shapiro. There is an important proviso to this; and that is where the FBI is talking about themselves and their own regulations. So, I used fbi.gov as a reference for the text of the b7 exemption to the FOIA. I have also linked to the FBI for the site of the documents the were sued to release on Michael Hastings.

Finally, please take note that all of the references used for the content of this article are secondary sources. The writing in this article is based on facts gleaned from news-papers (Wall Street Journal, Herald), websites (Salon, Huffington), books (The Foie Gras Wars) and magazines (Mother Jones). The court documents are being used to back up those sources, not as original research. In other words, the newspaper gives us the narrative and significance of the court case, which we put in the article, however the actual court case is listed in the references also as a tool for readers. It is my hope that by placing exhaustive sourcing, future readers and editors will be less likely to engage in political flaming. (fingers cross) Jay Dubya (talk) 19:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)