Talk:Ryerson University/Archive 1

Neutral Point of View Check
Ryerson University is a public research university located in downtown Toronto, Canada. Its urban campus surrounds Yonge and Dundas Square, with the majority of its buildings in the blocks northeast of the square in Toronto's Garden District. The university offers many specialized programs which are unique in Canada across its five faculties, including the largest undergraduate business program in Canada by enrolment.

In addition to offering full-time and part-time undergraduate and graduate programs leading to Bachelor's, Master's and Doctoral degrees, the university also offers part time degrees, distance education and certificates through its The G. Raymond Chang School of Continuing Education, which has annual enrollment of over 65,400 students.[4]Nonetheless, their entering class average is extremely low compared to other universities. In 2009, for Business and Commerce, Ryerson University had an entrance average of 79.9%[5], whereas the University of Toronto St. George, the University of Toronto Scarborough, and York University had entrance averages of 88.5%, 88.1%, and 86.9%, respectively[6][7].

Esousa constantly deletes the part regarding entering class averages even though it is valid information. However, he/she is willing to include information, such as "the university offers many specialized programs which are unique in Canada across its five faculties", which is a subjective interpretation of "specialized" without references.

Also, in the following passage:

Ryerson is known for its programs that emphasize applicable skills. As a result, the university has established a reputation for producing graduates who are career-ready in their related fields, such as child and youth care, fashion, photography, engineering, business administration and nursing[24]. The part-time study option offered in many of Ryerson's graduate programs, such as the MBA and the M.A. in Public Policy and Administration, have made the school a choice for professionals working in business and government in the Greater Toronto Area; however, many world renowned institutions, such as the University of Toronto and McGill University have a strong status in the United States and abroad[25]. In 2009, the university ranked second in Ontario for first-choice applications from graduating high school students receiving 11 percent of Ontario's total 84,300 admission requests.[20][26]

Esousa repeatedly removes "many world renowned institutions, such as the University of Toronto and McGill University have a strong status in the United States and abroad[25]," yet keeps subjective information such as "Ryerson is known for its programs that emphasize applicable skills," "producing graduates who are career-ready in their related fields," and "The part-time study option offered in many of Ryerson's graduate programs, such as the MBA and the M.A. in Public Policy and Administration, have made the school a choice for professionals working in business and government in the Greater Toronto Area." This information, unreferenced and biased, remains in the article, but the objective and sourced information that I have included is being removed. Objectivity is Essential (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

New/Better Pictures
This University has so much more we can include, and so many more pictures that can be used. Maybe someone from the Arts program can make a project of this. I would help in anyway. This page can use alot more work! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoice (talk • contribs) 01:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Faculty of Dragonball Z? Someones been vandalizing

Faculties
I think it's overkill to link to each faculty, there's already a link to the main website, people can find their own way there. -- Spinboy 23:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't really see how it is overkill. Most other university sites have links not only to the main faculty, but also to each department under them. While I agree that they can find their way through the main site, I don't see why we can't make things a little easier for those who aren't web savvy.

Greysliver 00:10, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Then they should probably be removed from those articles. I think the links as they were make the article look sloppy. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 00:15, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

It's now 2008, and each faculty still has their own link. Definite overkill. This is not a university site. At best, they should be incorporated into a single paragraph. Musicmogul09 (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ryerson's own edits
Ryerson people seem to be removing unflattering information.

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryerson_University&action=history Esousa has undid all of Go leafs go 3000's edits, particularly in the area of "Reputation and Rankings," even though they all had references/citations. The only possible reason, therefore, for such removal is to conceal valid information that may not necessarily promote the university. Such subjectivity needs to stop, and objective information regarding admission averages must be shown to the public. Go leafs go 3000 (talk) 01:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

We need more pictures of Ryerson. (FreshRapture 11:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

I don't even think its Ryerson people. This article has turned into a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.198.2.77 (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There's a definite conflict of interest here. It's a common theme among university articles. Musicmogul09 (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ryerson Faculty Association merged here
See Articles for deletion/Ryerson Faculty Association. Johnleemk | Talk 14:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ryerson International Living Learning Centre merged here
See Articles for deletion/Ryerson International Living Learning Centre. Johnleemk | Talk 14:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Pitman Hall Residence merged here
See Articles for deletion/Pitman Hall Residence. Johnleemk | Talk 14:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words
"It has the largest undergraduate Faculty of Business in Canada and in the fall of 2006 will offer graduate business programs including MBA programs. The G. Raymond Chang School of Continuing Education is the country's largest provider of university-level adult education with over 60,000 enrollments." Ardenn 04:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Selective Puffery
This article on Ryerson University contains much self-congratulating puffery. For example: "According to Maclean's Magazine Annual University Rankings, Ryerson's best rating is in the 'Reputation' classification where it is consistently ranked in the top 5 of the 21 'primarily undergraduate' category universities and in the top 20 of universities in all categories."

This is highly selective reportage. Actually, Macleans ranks Ryerson University near the bottom (18th of 21) among "primarily undergraduate universities" - a drop from 16th the previous year. See  This ranking implies Ryerson is of the worst universities in all of Canada - in the company of other academic embarrassments such as Lakehead and Nipissing which arguably should be shut down.

More puffery: "Ryerson University offers strong programs in Aerospace, Mechanical, Industrial, and Electrical Engineering. The university also has the prestige of being the only one in two Canadian Universities to offer programs in Aerospace Engineering, and many leading Aerospace Industries choose Ryerson graduates as in comparison with other universities."

Are there any non-Ryerson engineers in Canada who would says Ryerson's programs are strong or prestigious ? If anything, Ryerson may be reputed to be the engineering school to attend if the applicant has been rejected everywhere else - even by Windsor.

There was some debate in the 1980s and 1990s about the wisdom of converting Ryerson from a superior "Poytechnic" offering primarily three-year diplomas, to a mediocre "University" offering degrees. One could argue the people who most benefitted from the change were faculty members who wanted to call themselves professors but could not get appointments to real universities... There should be some discussion why the change was made from Polytechnic to University, and from three-year diplomas to four-year degrees.

An article based too much on the wishful thinking of boosters and spin doctors invites cynicism. This article should be revised to reflect the institution's true status and reputation.

70.49.37.207Kalos
 * Agree on the line ranking - perhaps we could put a line to the effect of "but Ryerson does not typically rank highly in overall ratings"? I'm wondering how relevant the Maclean's rating is to the article at all... The rest of your comment though is more opinion than anything else and I don't think should be included in the article.--Artificialard 05:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Removed some marketing speak. Added some citation required tags.Saganaki- 05:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ryerson actually began issuing degrees in the early 70's, making it an older university (comapred to the remainder of the category). Ryerson's overall Macleans ranking is low. However, its ranking with regards to reputation is signifcantly greater than you seem to be aware. It ranks 19th of the 47 universities in Canada. Ryerson needs to improve its library, that is where it loses with Macleans, if you actually bothered to read the article.
 * Yes. There really wasn't a debate. Ryerson ranks 3rd overall for REPUTATION amongst the "primarily undegraduate" universities.. Your opinion is as wrong as your English. http://www.wlu.ca/page.php?grp_id=65&p=1296 if you don't believe us. --74.98.113.160 03:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well why are there so many people who want to insult this univerity, Ryerson is RANKED OVERALL 18th OUT OF 47 yes 47 not 21. So READ BEFORE YOU WRITE. Windsor is at 47. Anudeep Toora
 * It ranked 18th for reputation, yes. Actually, Windsor was not 47, some university called Nipissing was. Also, with regards to the comment above, Ryerson has the 3rd highest entrance grade in primarily undergrad category, and offers far less places that Windsor.. i think that guy went to windsor, he seems reluctant to admit that Windsor is undoubtably the worst school in the province. Even its professors hate it.

What in the world happened?
Hello. Happened to stumble upon this article, and there are two issues that seem to need addressing. The first is the result of an attempt to "remove marketing cruft". The article is now very insulting to Ryerson. (There's nothing wrong with being neutral, but implying accusations is a bit much) eg. "The university claims to offer more than 80 undergraduate and graduate degree programs". Claims? Is that really necessary? It very strongly implies that Ryerson doesn't offer that many programs. Wouldn't a simple have made more sense than phrasing it like that? Far more disturbing than that is the set of accusations against muslims at Ryerson. I will admit that I've never been there (Brock student, myself), so I can't confirm or deny whether or not a cabal of evil muslims is truly trying to take over the entire school. However, what I can say is that providing only two sources: doesn't really qualify as "verifiable" or "reliable". Does anybody have any good references for supporting the accusations of intimidations, threats, organized campaigns to take over, etc? Because, if not, I'll just be deleting the entire paragraph. Bladestorm 23:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A school newspaper (and I've never seen a neutral school newspaper. our own "Brock Press" is insanely liberal)
 * A conservative "news" website, wherein the article contains a great deal of outright racism
 * Well, I made the changes. I waited 2 days first, which I think was reasonable considering what was in that cited "article". (muslim canadians are still canadians, despite what that author thinks)
 * As for the Saganaki's attempts to remove "marketing cruft", I certainly applaud that sentiment. However, it isn't fair to phrase it so negatively. (Just because someone else tried to push POV, that isn't license to ignore neutrality.) Instead, I've restored most (all?) of the material, but added tags. If unsourced statements were always summarily deleted without  tags, then nothing would ever get cited. If nobody ends up providing any cited references, then you can try again. (But I'd still try to avoid saying things like, "Ryerson claims to offer over 80 programs".) Bladestorm 20:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Fact tags aren't meant to be permanent fixtures. Either cite it, or remove it. GreenJoe 22:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ryerson Rams logo.png
Image:Ryerson Rams logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Facebook "cheating"
Should we include something about this current event? Is it notable enough to include here? --W0lfie (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say its notable enough to be included. GreenJoe 23:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I created an article at Chris Avenir. GreenJoe 00:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe. It's recentism IMHO.  It *definitely* doesn't deserve its own article, though.  --ElKevbo (talk) 01:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. There's 378,000 Google hits, thus it's notable. It's also precedent-setting. GreenJoe 01:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've never been a big fan of the Google test. I would rather see the controversy in the University's article, since it's a school policy not really about a single individual. But that just my two cents.  --W0lfie (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not really notable in either article, IMHO, I would take a look at WP:RECENT and I think anyone would logically agree that this was a result of Recentism. If the result were expulsion it would have set more precedent, but as it was, it just sort of fizzled out. I haven't seen any media attention on the aftermath aside from small articles in the campus newspapers themselves. Not notable. Wjw0111 (talk) 20:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree that it is merely recentism, and on the point that the outcome of the case has any effect on its notability. What makes the case different is the advent of the power of the internet, namely facebook.  What role does the internet play in university politics, and does this change how the university system works?  Remember, students have always formed study groups for generations.  So how is this new case merely a result of recentism if students have always done it?  Because this case is precedent setting.  And the guy would have been expelled if it were not for the media attention.

Musicmogul09 (talk) 13:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It definitely appears to be undue weight to give this one incident an entire section of its own with the overly broad label "Controversy." It doesn't help that there are no sources whatsoever in the current version. If anything, this needs to be shortened to one or two sentences and integrated into the article.

If I can find the time and the willpower, I also plan to nominate the individual's article for deletion as failing to meet BIO but that's a story for another day... --ElKevbo (talk) 20:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I find your logic to be a bit hypocritical. Many points in the article are not newsworthy, and you would fail to find any relevant articles from major papers about them far off into the future.  If anything, the puffery in the article needs to be drastically reduced.  Most of such article is not referenced, is created by ryerson students and alumni, and is very selective of its contents.  Let's have a balanced article that focuses on facts, rather than selectively adding and deleting based on nothing.  Musicmogul09 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are other parts of the article that need to be discussed, please bring them up here in the Talk page. Otherwise, keep your insults and bad faith accusations and assumptions to yourself.  --ElKevbo (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Revamp
I am currently working through a major revamp to correct several issues, such as the introduction, source citation and the elimination of the trivia section. Please continue to edit this article, while the Under Construction tag is in place, but please consider not editing while I am using the In Use tag. This article is in need of a lot of work.

Also, please be aware that I am not adding any Personal Research. Most facts that I am adding, I do not believe are challenged or likely to be challenged. However, if you feel that anything I have edited is in dispute, please ask me to Prove it and I will add further sources and citations. Wjw0111 (talk) 20:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Some comments about the introduction. I suggest using the Cornell University article as a guide since it is the considered one of the best university articles.


 * I don't believe that the Yonge and Dundas Square description is meaningful to anyone outside of Toronto. I think what is important globally about Ryerson University's location is that it is in core of downtown Toronto, the largest city in Canada.


 * As well, I noticed that some of years stated conflict with the years further below in the article so you should use citations in support.


 * With regard to Ryerson gaining "full" university status in 1993. Although this statement is true in the strictest sense because this is when the province approved graduate degrees, the implication is that those who graduated prior to 1993 do not hold accredited bachelor degrees, which is not true. It is important to be clear that Ryerson has been accredited as a university-degree level institution since 1971. The "university" name is generally used when institutions have a strong research mandate, i.e., grant graduate degrees (masters and doctorates).Histo1 (talk) 15:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good idea, I will definitely look at the Cornell article, I had previously been using several others as guides that may have not been as good. Core of downtown could be added, but Yonge and Dundas is a major landmark in Toronto and is wikilinked for anyone looking for more information, thus I believe its inclusion is valid.


 * Many of the years further below are part of a trivia section, which will be good soon enough anyway, as they are discouraged. I'll start getting those dates sourced as soon as I can. I don't believe the full university status statement implies anything about the degrees held. The University has been accredited to grant some bachelor degrees (as a Polytechnic) since 1971. You will note that many of these are "applied" degrees that have now changed over the years, as well.


 * Most importantly, though. Be Bold! At the time of your edit, I did not have the Template:Inuse Inuse tag up, I had Template:Underconstruction. While the inuse tag is up, as a courtesy it helps to refrain from edits. When it's underconstruction, feel free to edit! You can make these changes yourself. Under Construction just means means that I AM doing a lot of work around this time, so everything isn't just right yet. Please feel free to make your edits during this time. Wjw0111 (talk) 17:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I've given this article a pretty big overhaul. There are some sources that need citing and some sections to expand, I'm aware. I'll be working on this over the next few days. Please add any information you have, make edits, Be Bold!. Just don't add another Trivia section ;).

As for source citation, I realize there's a lot that needs to be cited (mainly stuff out of the Trivia section that I put into the main article). However, I'm not sure what could be questioned and what is assumed true. For me, it's all assumed true because of my personal knowledge. However, this is not a place for personal unverified research, so if there's anything that you question the validity of, please just place a citation needed tag next to it in the article and I'll get to it and add a source as soon as I can. I just don't want to have to search around for sources of things I know are true unless others feel they are needed.Wjw0111 (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe that being accredited as a university-degree level institution since 1971 is significant in the history of Ryerson, and would be considered a significant milestone in any institution's history; certainly it should not be considered trivial.  The misconception that the degrees prior to 1993 are invalid in anyway should not be promoted.  The point is that Ryerson students have been accepted in graduate schools all over the world because the institution was fully accredited since 1971.  The community colleges you mention that have 'applied' bachelor degree programs today are not accredited by the AUCC nor accepted by the Ontario university community (i.e., not accepted as members in the Council of Ontario Universities).   As well, please note that there are many Ryerson degree programs that were accepted by regulating professional bodies in Ryerson's early years, examples that come to mind are: Urban Planning, Landscape Architecture, Nursing, Interior Design, Accounting.


 * You can see that many, many people contributed to this article and their input should be respected. It appears to me that there have been several qualified people, including educators, who have contributed.   As the article stands now it is given a B accuracy rating primarily because it does not include enough citations, i.e., content must be verifiable.   As can be seen in the highly rated Cornell University article, just about every sentence has a citation, and many have multiple citations.   I don't believe that one person rewriting the whole article is going to advance nor improve its status, but more likely it will be a set back.  I suggest you build upon what is there now.


 * Note that Wikipedia rules due not permit work in "draft" form to be posted, therefore, please revert the article at this time and make any changes when ready.Histo1 (talk) 00:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I see nothing in this article that questons the degrees granted before the University gained full University status. I did not mention any community colleges. Degrees offered in previous years were generally Applied degrees (Film Studies, RTA, etc... granted BAA degrees, where they now offer BA's and BFA's). There were no Bachelor degree programs prior to the 1970's, Interior Design was the first program at Ryerson to acquire the right to grant degrees and this was in the 1970's. I feel like you are reading what you want into this article. Nowhere did I mention Community Colleges. Ryerson was a Polytechnic, that's different.


 * Secondly, I have not removed any content. If you actually care to look at my edits you will see that I have merely moved a lot of information from the Trivia Section into prose (as is the recommended by WP:Trivia). I have also summarized the article into an introduction. The B-Rating was old, and yes, the article needs citations. It was also not organized and the majority of the article was a trivia section. One person rewriting the article will not help, but it's a step in the right direction. I believe if you compare the article before and after you will see that it's quality is vastly improved. As stated, I have not yet added any additional citations, but I haven't removed any either. Basically I've re-organized the existing information into a format very similar to the Cornell University article that you often cite. The next step IS citing and expanding that information, you can help! Rather than giving general thoughts on talk pages, consider requesting citations where you feel necessary. Feel free to add information, cite sources that you can find.


 * Regarding Drafts. Wikipedia is a work in progress, after all. The Under Construction Template would not exist if changes weren't able to come in gradually. I have no idea what rule you are speaking of, but please cite what you are talking about to the appropriate rule. Reverting the article back to the mess it was in will just make it more difficult to organize and will bring back the discouraged Trivia section. What we need now is citations. I am planning on working on this shortly (hence the Construction Tag). There is no reason why the improvements made so far should be compromised by problems that were facing the page prior. It's not like I went through and removed citations.


 * Once again, please add to this page, add citations, edit it, do things! The second line in the Under Construction tag is "However, you are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well." Only when Template:inuse is active, are you to avoid editing. So, that said, rather than simply pointing out negatives on the talk page, make some positives on the article itself! Happy Wikipeding! Wjw0111 (talk) 02:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Photos needed
Could someone with a camera upload some good photos of the "Arch" at Ryerson to Commons:Category:Normal School (Toronto) and Commons:Category:Ryerson University at the Commons? (The Arch being the preserved portion of the façade of the old Toronto Normal School). Photos of the front (south side) of the Arch would be great. Actually, the Ryerson category at the Commons is a bit sparse, and could use contributions of any photos of the campus. Thanks. Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hopefully someone beats me to it, but I can take some next week, if no one else has. Wjw0111 (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

How do i upload pictures? i have lots of nice pictures of the campus i can upload. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoice (talk • contribs) 05:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
I revered the mass deletion of material by. As for WP:COI, there is no conflict. Let's discuss these edits before you vandalise again. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason for that material and I have provided reasons in the history section. Looking back, all you have done is undo my actions without explanation. You started the edit war, you have vandalized, and you have a conflict of interest. Musicmogul09 (talk) 00:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no such conflict of interest. If you make that charge, back it up with proof, in the appropriate forum, or drop the issue. I will ask to have you blocked if you persist. Me-123567-Me (talk) 04:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am having trouble determining where WP:COI comes into play? Unless User:Me-123567-Me is on the marketing staff at Ryerson, I see no COI.  Even if he/she was, students, staff, professors are all welcome to correct bad information and add valid, neutral point of view information at ANY time.  Fluff and Puff of an article by staff, however, would not be permitted.  Please Assume Good Faith and remain civil on all discussions on talkpages.  BMW  (drive)  11:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please explain to me how his edits and not fluff and puff of an article. For all I know, he works at ryerson publishing house, whi has NO AFFLIATION with the university.  It has NO AFFLIATION and yet the user HAS STARTED an edit war to keep it in the history section.  I think if you read the actual changes you can develop an opinion.  And also explain how egerton's life history, WITHOUT EXPLAINING ITS RELATION TO RYERSON UNIVERSITY'S HISTORY is a VALID INFO ADDEDED AT ANY TIME? ~

I don't think antagonizing other users into edit war is civil. Or vandalizing yourself, but accusing others of vandal is civil. this is not right. mini me should be blocked, but you editors have connections and help friends without looking at issue. you make wiki look bad Musicmogul09 (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see how user Me-123567-Me has assumed good faith. I have provided the reasoning for my editing in the history section, to which he has not responded.  He immediately assumed vandalism.  That is not good faith.  I am assuming a conflict of interest because he is undoing edits without providing any reasons, and assuming vandalism.  Musicmogul09 (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoa, hold on there Musicmogul. I arrived on the scene because a WP:Wikiquette filing was done against you. I'm not ganging up on you, nor have I any relations with this article until today (I made a few minor corrective edits this morning).  Assuming then making accusations of conflict of interest is not valid on Wikipedia, so unless you know he/she works for Ryerson, please leave those accusations elsewhere.  As a former resident of Toronto, I actually believe that the small bit of info on Ryerson Press (which did have a relationship with the college) should stay.  Egerton, as the founder of the college (and most of the Ontario school system) certainly deserves a few paragraphs...have a look at some of the colleges in the states and see how long of an entry there is about the founder.  This type of information helps establish the context of a topic.  Removing valid (and validly sourced) information can fit into the WP:VANDALISM category, but perhaps not.  It is VITAL that you discuss major changes to an article on its Talk page before you remove significant sections from an article - that is SOP on Wikipedia because it runs on WP:CONSENSUS.  I believe that most of this warring could have been solved if this had happened.   BMW  (drive)  16:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I can see that consensus, civility and assume good faith are important. BUT I think it's important NOT to automatically accuse somebody of vandalism and assume they are not acting in good faith. And to try to intimidate them because you (in your expect opinion, contrary to the whole wiki thing from what i hear) think they are vandals and you try to get them banned. Look at the summaries and note that I DID put comments in the history section. These were IGNORED. Also, no comments were put in reponse to any undo changes. Just because I don't know how to fill out a wiki: etiquette comment, and i don't know that editors assume vandalism over edits they don't agree with because they are biased, doesn't mean i should be intimidated. What you are doing is limited wiki to a SMALL NUMBER of people who likely are ALL HOMOGENOUS in thought.

Maybe I should edit more, and then GOAD new editors into getting themselves banned because I know the ins and outs of the system. Musicmogul09 (talk) 20:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

More puffery about ryerson's history
"In 1852 at the core of the main campus, the historic St. James Square, Egerton Ryerson founded Ontario's first teacher training facility, the Toronto Normal School. It also housed the Department of Education and the Museum of Natural History and Fine Arts, which became the Royal Ontario Museum. An agricultural laboratory on the site led to the later founding of the Ontario Agricultural College and the University of Guelph. St. James Square went through various other educational uses before housing a namesake of its original founder.

Egerton Ryerson was a leading educator, politician, and Methodist minister.[3] He is known as the father of Ontario's public school system. He is also a founder of the first publishing company in Canada in 1829, The Methodist Book and Publishing House, which was renamed The Ryerson Press in 1919 and today is part of McGraw-Hill Ryerson, Canadian publisher of educational and professional books. Although not affiliated with the university, the well known publishing company still bears Egerton Ryerson's name for its Canadian operations."

The third paragraph says when the ryerson institute of technology was founded. The previous two paragraphs have no relevant to the institute. It talks about the toronto normal school, the department of education, museum of natural history and fine arts, the ROM, the university of guel, agricultural college. Are you talking about the university or all the buildings that used to be there?

The second paragraph talks about egerton ryerson. But why include mcgraw=hill ryerson the publisher?

This stinks of puffery "The Ryerson Institute of Technology was founded in 1948 and its name was changed in 1964 to Ryerson Polytechnical Institute." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicmogul09 (talk • contribs) 11:46, August 29, 2008


 * Yes, the "buildings that used to be there" do appear to be of historic interest, particularly since they are described as (a) educational in nature (thus seemingly establishing a historic use trend for that area and perhaps saying something about the culture and values of the immediate area) and (b) at lease one of them was founded by the institution's namesake.
 * I don't understand what your beef is and why you're so antagonistic about this. The section is short, uncontroversial, and has crystal clear ties to the history of the institution and its founder.  Why the vehement objections, baseless accusations, and edit warring?  --ElKevbo (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Elkevbo, exactly how would you know the historic trend use for the area, and about the culture and value, and how is the founding of one by egerton related to the university. IMPROVE THE ARTICLE rather than insisting you are right.  Musicmogul09 (talk) 22:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Why the university is named after Egerton Ryerson is important background info. It is also important to note that the publisher, well-known in Canada, is not related to the university. Double Blue (Talk) 16:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, you would have no idea from reading the article. So how is the publisher related to the university's history?  did the university have a prior relation?  it seems not, at best, it should be in a different section.


 * and the university being named after him is important info, but you should put his accomplishments in better context. you would have no idea from what was written.


 * Wiki tells users to be bold, but all i get are users who, rather than making any improvements, simply whitewash any changes. I have edited the text on egerton ryerson to try to put it into better context.


 * If the information was so crystal clear, then why are we having this discussion? Just because there is a relation somewhere, does NOT mean that it is well written.  Maybe you go to the university so in your mind you can put the links together, but an encyclopedia does not assume prior knowledge.  otherwise, it would defeat the point.

Musicmogul09 (talk) 22:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Verifiability (WP:V)
''The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed. Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies.''

Could we try to find reliable sources to back up unreferenced material in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collegestandard (talk • contribs) 17:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyvios
There is an ongoing edit war. I don't know why some of the material is being warred over but the material about the faculties are clear copyright violations (the Faculty of Arts material was taken from here, for example). The copyrighted materials are completely unacceptable and I suspect that editors who continue to readd the material will be blocked. --ElKevbo (talk) 00:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Caution Heading: "This article may contain wording that merely promotes the subject...sources that support."
The WIKIPEDIA Caution Heading has been in place for quite some time, probably over a year, yet after several changes it still remains. Is it possible for the person who has added the caution to provide a list of specific issues so they can be addressed? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Histo1 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Athletics
It would seem to me that a university turning arguably the most reverred athletic institution in Canada into their very own athletic centre should include some brief introduction of their athletic program on the wikipedia page. It seems that every school's page includes a segment on athletics and it is fact that the university is overhauling its athletics program over the next several years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.143.237 (talk) 04:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)