Talk:Ryo Bakura

Just wanting to say
I edited out the "more often than not, the evidence points to Zorc" thing because in the manga, there's actually more proof that he's a composite of Zorc and Theif Bakura (Ex: Parasite Mind Bakura of the Millenium Puzzle does say he's a part of Zorc, and yet later on he talks about the Dark Bakura of the Millenium Ring and refers to him as "the thief's soul".)

I do agree with "Given how both the anime and the manga give conflicting evidence about his identity and never clearly states with 100% assurance whether the soul in the Ring is Thief King Bakura or Zorc Necrophades, it's impossible to say for certain who Dark Bakura truly is." but I think that it should be left at that rather than saying which argument seems closer to the truth, since that's just an opinion and not fact.

The anime says he's Zorc (or at least a combination of some sort). In the episode where Yami Yugi and Yami Bakura abandon their positions at the diorama table and enter the game world (I believe it was 217), Yami Yugi says something to the effect of, "Kisama... yahari, Zorc!" ("As I thought, you're Zorc!") This is then reinforced by the superimposition of the image of Zorc's face on Yami Bakura's face. -KE

In the English Anime, Yami Bakura actually says "Zorc and I are one and the same!". So, at least in the English version, Yami Bakura is Zorc. Ggctuk 12:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just found this here:

http://www.yu-jyo.net/005/217.html - Episode 217 English/Japanese comparison

Bakura says he doesn't need this body any more. He'll return to his original form. Now doesn't that say something when he combines with Zorc? Ggctuk 11:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Zorc: think it's worth mentioning that in the manga, the boss in Monster World is named Lord Zorc (at least in the English translation)?


 * Combine that with the fact that Yugi and Bakura's first battle is an RPG and final battle is an RPG... Ggctuk 14:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Can Zorc Necrophades stop leading here? Ggctuk 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It should go here--Tempest115 00:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

just wanted to say... Ryou's technically not the antagonist. it's Yami Bakura or Dark Bakura that's evil... I feel kind of mean seeing that the little angel's called the bad guy just because his darker side is evil... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catt002 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Name Dispute?
Isn't his name technically Ryou Bakura and not Ryo Bakura? Since Ryo is actually spelled in the Shounen Jump manga for the purpose that the readers don't pronouce his name "reeyoo". I've mostly seen it spelled Ryou and not Ryo, but I do know for a fact that in the Shounen Jump manga his name is spelled Ryo. Am I wrong?

It seems to be the same in Fruits Basket's character Sohma(sp?) Kyou, in the translation his name is spelled Kyo, but his name is really Kyou.
 * We use the official Viz translation of the name and nothing else. Geg 15:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Characters should be called what the series officially states their romaji names as. If that does not exist, use what they are named in the most recent or popular English translation, if it exists, isn't egregiously bad, and is the generally-used name (a google test is appropriate here). Otherwise, use a literal transliteration." (from WikiProject_Anime_and_manga) The series (as in the japanese) stats his romaji as Ryou doesn't it? And isn't Ryou also the generally-used name?


 * What does the anime say? Sometimes there are scenes in the anime where the characters name is spelt out, does the english sub of the YGO anime use either of his names? Or does it just stick to bakura and bakura only? -- `/aksha 07:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Different version
The problem with Yami Bakura a.k.a King of Thieves a.k.a Zorc the devil is, that his backround story is very different from the manga to the animated series.

1.MANGA-Version Bakura is an "Innocent"-child in a city that is exclusively governed by thieves. In order to create the Millennium items it needs the souls of 99 dead people. The Pharaoh (Yami Yugi's father) made the statement that all people should be executed in the city to produce the necessary sacrifices on the one hand. On the other, to make Ägytpten sauber from thieves. A bloody massacre! Bakura is the only survivor and swears vengeance! Later, the Pharaoh died of disgust when he hears how the Millennium items was created. Bakura fight again the Pharao's son Atem (Yami Yugi). Both are included in Milleniums item's: Atem in the puzzle, Bakura in the ring. 3,000 years later the story begins...

2.ANIME-Version In the anime, the evil spirit of Bakura's ring travels in the old Ägyten too, because he has crept hisself into Yugi's puzzle. Here Yami Bakura is Zorc, a devil-like God, who wants to plunge the world into the darkness. He takes possession of a weak thief named Bakura (similar to Ryo Bakura in the Present) to confront the Pharaoh better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.154.128 (talk) 10:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Zorc
should zorc be merged into this page because zorcs just in the other Character page and in the english dub yami bakura and zorc are the same (i'm not for one second saying dubs cannon though) ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 19:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The short answer is because they are, correct me if I'm wrong, completely different characters in the manga.--Tempest115 03:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

oh I have not got that far yet ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 09:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, but then again, I could be wrong.--Tempest115 20:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * don't worry about it im only up to where jonouchi and kiba duel in duelist and i doubt i can avoid spoolers for that long :P ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I want to popint out that the entire Thief Bakura article is gone and now redirects here. Why? There's no Thief Bakura material in this article, and Thief Bakura and Ryou Bakura are not the same character. Ggctuk 09:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

mabye there wasnt enough info on thief bakura ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There was. There was just slightly under the amount of info that was in the Ahkenaden article. Ggctuk 11:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sadistic
Is Dark Bakura a sadist? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He does seem to be.--Tempest115 13:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Puzzle/Ring
Changed "Puzzle" to "Ring" as Bakura does not carry the Millenium Puzzle, but the Ring.

Should the theif king bakura pic be deleted?
It will be on the 28th. Should it be deleted. My answer is no because he is a different character then plan bakura. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Techincally...
...Isn't Dark Bakura the soul of Thief King Bakura taken over by a portion of Zorc's soul? That's how it was like with Akhenaden, he became part of Zorc (The Dark Priest) due to Zorc giving him a portion of his soul. Dark Bakura outright says that the Zorc Necrophades who appeared to Akhenaden is the soul of the true Akhenaden (QUOTE: "His soul is one with Zorc's! & QUOTE: "Akhenaden's soul is animating the Dark Priest, with me as the player.") Not to mention the whole "The thief's soul in my ring" bit that comes quite a while after he talks about the portion of Zorc's soul being sealed in the ring.  In conclusion, Zorc's soul is working through the souls of Thief King Bakura and Akhenaden in order to be revived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheReflex68.188.25.139 (talk) 00:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ryou's mom
Does Ryou have a mom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.81.222 (talk) 02:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC) yes, he does(or did), because it's heavily implied she's dead in the series and manga. Yes he does and it says that he got his hair color and eyes from her. This could contribute to his father always leaving him because Ryou reminds him of his deceased wife.(by animeinsanity1850) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animeinsanity1850 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Merging
It's said that this page should be merged with the List of Yu-Gi-Oh! Characters page. I do not approve. What's your thought on this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.198.239.225 (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also do not approve since Bakura is a rather important antagonist in the series.IchiGhost (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Dark Bakura is Thief King in the anime as well
There is much proof in the anime that Dark/Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura as well. Proof of this is here on the official website. If Yami Bakura wasn't thief Bakura, then it wouldn't have said that he (Dark Bakura) was once king of the bandits/thieves. Also, he has memories of the Thief King which Zorc couldn't have known since it was before he was even released. One example is when he possessed the Thief King and said "I remember this day in the past quite clearly". In the anime he even said that he was a graverobber and a stealer of souls, and Zorc was never that before. Also, Shadi told yugi and his friends that he was killed by one named Bakura and Bakura's spirit followed the Pharaoh into the tablet. If he wasn't Thief Bakura, then why did he say that Thief bakura's spirit follow the Pharaoh into the tablet and Yami Bakura really entered the tablet. With this evidence I conclude that Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura AND Zorc are Yami Bakura in the manga and anime. 104.236.89.93 (talk) 17:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)