Talk:Sándor Vay

Gender
I'd imagine a lot of the weird phrasings in this come from the difficulty of talking about gender in a period before transgender was understood, and thus it being difficult to tell what gender Sándor viewed themselves as, as opposed to choosing to take on due to attraction to females and the career opportunities provided? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 18:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Homosexuality in general was not defined and the study of gender was in its infancy. Trying to impose today's understanding of gender upon historical figures is always difficult-- especially when the sourcing uses archaic language which would not now be used. We have to use that language, because Vay's only options were male/female. Transgenderism, lesbianism, nonbinary, would not have been known or even options for them to consider. It would be interesting if Vay lived now to know how they view themselves in our time. SusunW (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In the interest of preservation of this person's history around the time they lived, should they not by default be annotated by their biological female gender at birth and not affixed with male by editors of today? They literally are unavailable to uphold or contest such labeling, so out of respect for not knowing and if the person did not in their time explicitly declare themselves of a different gender, why change it? Nobody alive seems qualified to make that choice for them, and if it were me and I didn't care to lay out defiance of my birth gender while drawing breath, I'd rather not see myself misgendered by people in the present who are perhaps more interested in pushing a hot button modern agenda than knowing and caring about who I truly was. 172.59.64.3 (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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