Talk:São Paulo (state)

Requested move
Cantus… &#9742;   09:14, September 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Support the following:
 * São Paulo = the city
 * São Paulo (state) = the state
 * I support this for consistency with Rio de Janeiro (city and state).Carioca 21:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * PMLF 04:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Support the following:
 * São Paulo = the state
 * São Paulo, São Paulo = the city


 * Comment: Contrary to what's stated above, this request hadn't been noted at Requested moves. It now is.  –Hajor 12:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Naming conventions (city names) doesn't have anything on South America, but following the convention for Mexico would put the state at São Paulo and the city at São Paulo, São Paulo. Just a suggestion though. Alphax &tau;&epsilon;&chi; 00:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Support the following:
 * São Paulo = the city
 * São Paulo (state) = the state
 * Support for same reason as Carioca. — Dale Arnett 01:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Result
Consensus for page move: page moved. Eugene van der Pijll 21:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Largest concentration of ethnic Italians outside Italy ?
The above-mentioned statement (which actually appears in the article) is doubtful to say the least. I suspect that there are probably far more descendants of Italian immigrants for example in Argentina and in the United States than in Brazil (or in São Paulo specifically). I guess the author of the statement above should either provide a reliable reference to back his/her claim or delete/re-write the sentence.200.177.17.130 02:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was not the author, but Argentina doesn't have more descendants of Italian immigrants than Brazil.

Yes, it does. By far. And way more Italian citizens.

Neither was I but I suspect SP has more in absolute numbers while Argentina has a higher percentage of its population.

I believe the right statement is São Paulo is the city out of Italy with more Italians and descendants.--ClaudioMB 05:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Rename to "São Paulo"
Hi, I'm the co-founder of the project "Subdivisões do Brasil" (Brazilian subdivisions) at Portuguese Wikipedia and the author of more than 5.000 Brazilian location maps (almost all used here). I would like to know why the Brazilian states aticles don't have a higher priority than their respective capitals. Sorry but my capacity to write in English is very limited. What I'm trying to say is: São Paulo concerns the City of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo (state) the state. I really don't understand why this is the convention and why the states of the USA are different. e.g. New York for the state and New York City for the city / Washington for the state and Washington, D.C. for the city. I'm proposing that we move "São Paulo" to "São Paulo City" and "São Paulo (state)" to "São Paulo". Of course, disambiguation notes will be necessary as they are in both Washington and New York. Raphael.lorenzeto 01:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Same reasoning as Rio (state) v. Rio (city). Rmhermen 15:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Naming conventions (settlements), this is quite clearly explained there. Thank you for the maps BTW. Fvasconcellos 15:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As was shown in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements), this rule was simply based in the current practice. Apparently it was never discussed, that's why I started that topic in Naming conventions' talk page. P.S. Fvasconcellos, you are welcome. It's a plesure to me contribute to Wikipedia. Raphael.lorenzeto 17:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would like to suggest that this discussion be moved to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements), since the convention should be the same for both Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, and thus it's better to discuss it at a centralized location. --cesarb 00:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't know if that happened (will check) but will note opposition.


 * The reason why the US conventions are different is because the conventions are different. The official name of New York City in English is the City of New York. Washington is the state, while Washington, District of Columbia, is the city. In contradistinction, Ciudad and Cidade are generally omitted from Spanish and Portuguese placenames; and in this instance, neither the state nor the city have special cachet in their native tongue - the Portuguese wiki has the official names as "State of Sao Paulo" and "Municipality of Sao Paulo;" the name of the province came from the city and not vice versa. Sao Paulo should then redirect to the more common English usage, which is the city. All that the move would accomplish is forcing an additional click through to native English speakers seeking to get where they want to go; or a needless redirect. -LlywelynII (talk) 10:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Categorization of São Paulo cities
I've noticed that many cities of São Paulo state are categorized with both Category:São Paulo state and Category:Cities, towns and villages in São Paulo State. Shouldn't we remove "São Paulo state" category and leave the "Cities, towns and villages in São Paulo State" category only? Victor Lopes (talk) 21:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I decided to remove "Category:São Paulo state" from all articles, following all the other outside São Paulo cities' articles, which are not categorized in their own state categories. Victor Lopes (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Educational Institutions list
We're already got about two dozen names here, and there are 578 institutions, according to the text. Actually there are quite a few more, including vocational and technical schools, medical schools, and etc. I can add those names, but why would we want to do that? WP:wikipedia is not an almanac. I'd go along with listing just the 10 largest by enrollment. Then what we want to say, is something about what's offered in these institutions, how many total students are enrolled in bacalauriate programs, and in advanced degree programs, professional (medical, law, etc) programs, teacher-student ratios, number of professors, etc. A blank list is nearly useless. Sbalfour (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Macro-metropolis
I'm wondering about the claim that "The metropolitan regions of Campinas and São Paulo now form the first macro-metropolis in the southern hemisphere, joining 65 municipalities that together are home to 12% of the Brazilian population."

Googling the term 'macro-metropolis' exclusively brings up references to Campinas and Sao Paulo; many are mirrors of this article. I note that the sentence isn't referenced, though from said Google search it appears the term 'macro-metropolis' is a Brazilian government term, so the claim that Sao Paulo and Campinas form the first macro-metropolis in the Southern Hemisphere appears to be a fairly arbitrary one without much useful comparative weight. What, for example is the precise definition of a 'macro-metropolis'? Does it simply refer to a very large urban conurbation? If so why is Sao Paulo one, but not Jakarta?

I would propose that if the claim is to remain in place it should a) be referenced; and b) it should be demonstrated on what basis Sao Paulo is distinctive from other massive conurbations in the hemisphere such as Jakarta or Buenos Aires.

If it is just a Brazilian government term then it might be useful to point out that it is the first macro-metropolis in Brazil to distinguish it from Rio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.120.168 (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Transport
The subsections "Metro" and "Converting lines for metropolitan subway surface" are completely incomprehensible, and need rewriting by someone with for whom English is their first language. unfortunately, as there are no citations, it is impossible to see where this mangled translation has come from. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:21, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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Templates
@Moxy, hi. I'm working on it. I'm trying to find reliable sources for the information that had been added here before my edits. As I'm developing the article, at first it will seem like there are a lot of images.--Agent010 (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Had nothing to do with your additions (keep up the good work)..... was reading article because of this. I am someone that reads articles on a Note 5 (2016) .....and simply noticed that there was no sources in the history section for me to learn more and see that there is WP:Sandwich problems making it hard to read. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 21:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)