Talk:S-125 Neva/Pechora

Would suggest the link to the "Low Blow" page from the LOW BLOW fire control radar text be deleted. Appears either erroneous or "cutesy".--ChrisTheRed 13:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Delete "Side Net"
The article incorrectly states that the S-125 used a PRV-11 radar. The System delineated the target based on the guidelines of the P-15, where the SNR system was able to perfectly determine the angle, including the height, with a 10-degree vertical scan of the UV-10 radar. See the original Russian or Polish Wikipedia pages or: https://ia601805.us.archive.org/34/items/soviet-air-defense-system-technical-documents/sam%20simulator/S-125%20family.pdf. This error may come from some English book, because it is mentioned (wrongly) in almost all English language sources, but the need for height-finding radar is not mentioned anywhere in the original Russian/Polish/Czech/Hungarian/etc. sources. Gabor vasarus (talk) 12:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

B-2 silhouette
The image of the side of the S-125 shows three aircraft silhouettes, an F-16, a F-117, and a B-2. Although the first two are accurate, no B-2 has ever been lost in combat -- not terribly surprising given the low number of sorties. If these silhouettes represent the claims of a single battery, they are highly suspect. Maury 19:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * According to russians, there were min. than two dozen extra B-2 manufactured beyond the official 20 planes and these are stored in flat-packed "IKEA" style at underground facility at Groom Lake. If the loss is not very obvious, the missing plane can simply be replaced with a spare coming from this ghost reserve. If the crash is too obvious, too many witnesses, like at Guam, the loss is not replaced. In case of WW3 the whole B-2 ghost fleet will go to war obviously The serbian loss B-2, that crashed over the border at night, in a bosnian forest was replaced with a ghost copy and the impact site was "vacuum cleaned" by airdrop troops. 82.131.133.58 (talk) 14:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Welp, that's hilarious.  — M3TA  info  (  view  )  17:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, how does one &quot;flat-pack&quot; a B-2 bomber, either IKEA style or home-grown equivalent, I don't mind...?  — M3TA  info  (  view  )   — Preceding undated comment added 17:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

About ghost B-2 fleet, read this http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has181200.000/has181200_0f.htm?fbclid=IwAR2hPGcNiPEjojUZwpuHDKCba0ho8jySV1K_fTJ6Mo7tOuqigTexhlgrnyI hearing was from June 30, 1999, they mention they have 21 B-2s, and as i know last of 21 B-2s was produced in 2000, not before JUNE 30, 1999.

Operators
I tried to interpret from this article what the current and former operators are, and came up with this image. Should it be used? I have a feeling the list is not complete.--SkiDragon (talk) 05:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)




 * Go ahead! It looks good! --Ŧħę௹ɛя㎥ 09:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The map needs to be updated again, Azerbaijan wasnt included in the previous maps. Neftchi (talk) 21:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Not in Vietnam?
I'm curious about the unsourced "information" about the SA-3 not being deployed in North Vietnam because I have read (and seen photographs of) things that would suggest otherwise, specifically that the SA-3 was in North Vietnam by late 1972. The purported Soviet rationale behind not supplying the North Vietnamese with the missile also seems dubious as the missiles could easily have been supplied by sea (as substantial amounts of Soviet materiel already was). If nothing else, let's get a source for the information that's already in the article.172.190.30.115 (talk) 08:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, the page on "Vietnam War" lists the SA-3 as a weapon used by Vietnam. So at least we should be consistent one way or the other. Ceagulls (talk) 11:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I believe that some time ago I had read in both Janes' "Land Based Air Defense" (several editions from late 1980s 'til recently) and in René Francillon's "Vietnam: The War in the Air" that the NVA had received S-125s- probably the S-125M "Neva-M" variant was delivered initially with the later ca. 1970 vintage S-125-M-1 "Neva M-1" delivered after 1972- by mid to late 1968, and that they were used against U.S. B-52 raids during the December 1972 "Linebacker" raids. SASH155 (talk)SASH155, Alex. VA — Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Haifa spinach-sailor knocked out by SA-3-M2
The syrian republican SA-3 Pechora-2M modernized complex has downed an israeli AGM-142 Turbo Popeye crusie missile, incoming at Damascus Airport on 07-10-Dec-2014, after four zionist F-15 heavy jetfighters managed to avoid an SA-11 Buk salvo via electronic jamming and infiltrated Assadist airspace deeply. The value of SA-3 missile family is becoming more and more obvious, it gives tremendous value over the allegedly more advanced, newer missile complexes, like the Tor, which should, but somehow always fail to hit real life war targets. 82.131.133.58 (talk) 15:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Again a WP:Reliable Source please? More fantasies? Not very WP:NPOV..Irondome (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Gramar and Speeling

 * Deployment time 25 minutes, protected from the active interference, and anti-radiation missiles Early warning radar is replaced by anti-stealth radar Caste 2e2, defeat the purpose of by range 2.5–32 km, defeat the purpose of in height - 0.02–20 km, distance rocket launchers from the control center 10 kilometers.[13]Speed up to 1000 m/s (target), Used rocket 5V27DE. Probability of hitting the target 1st rocket: at a distance up to 25 km - 0,72-0,99, detection range with EPR = 2 m. sq about 100 km, with the objectives of the EPR = 0.15 m. sq about 50 km, with no interference. When using a of active jamming - 40 km.ADMS "Pechora-2M" has the ability to interfacing with higher level command post and radar remote using telecode channels. Is equally effective at any time during the day and at night (optical location (day and night) and also thermal imager), for such a system, the detection range of the aircraft the F-16 is 30 km away. Is possible to use two radar pointing missiles, it allows you to simultaneously work on two goals.

This reads like a very basic attempt at word-for-word translation from an original Russian source to me. It's possible for me to re-write using better English grammar and wording, but it might be better for someone who speaks Russian and English to re-do the translation instead?  — M3TA  info  (  view  )  17:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Note, the excerpt above is from § 3.2 Modern upgrades  — M3TA  info  (  view  )  17:11, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Naval Use
As I go looking, I think there is only 1 Russian (former USSR) ship - a Kashin DDG still operational, and the Indian Rajput class of 4 ships. Wonder if they have upgraded missiles. For contrast the US Navy discontinued use of the SM-1 on the Oliver Hazard Perry class FFGs a while back - maybe 2005. Wfoj3 (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Why does "SAM-3" redirect here?
It's not mentioned anywhere in the article. GMRE (talk) 18:29, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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