Talk:S-CRY-ed

Mad Sprict
Guys, episode 8 is not (and I repeat NOT) entitled "Mad Script". The second word is intentionally misspelled, and the kana in the episode title are altered to emphasize this (マッド・スプリクト). And in case I haven't ragged on everybody enough, it's "Mad Sprict". Period. Thanks. The Trashman 05:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Officially, this series is punctuated "s.CRY.ed"

but it has been written as Scryed too. ~ZeWrestler

Is Kanami's alter power really a spoiler? They reveal it the very first episode, after all. ~Not you.

Of course it's a spoiler, tell me you saw the very first episode and knew what was going on with her. Ape. ~NWI


 * You could say that, but it's not specifically said in that episode that it is an Alter power. --Tacubus 04:02, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, its not fully explained until at least ep 20.-- ZeWrestler  Talk 12:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up?
67.167.251.190's edits are been pretty erratic, strangely positioned, and started to wander from "character info" to "episode guide." Some of the info is good, though. Revert and retro-fit the good bits, or just try to incorporate them somewhere? The article definitely needs to be cleaned up and fitted with info such as Japanese voice credits and whatnot. I'd also like to know what Sunrise itself considers the official Romanized spellings of Scheris and Martin's names. Ah, for the good ol' days when this show was only on DVD and there were no freakin' dubbies to worry about. Damn you, Cartoon Network!... ah well, at least it's not as tough a situation as Evangelion has... The Trashman 07:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I cleaned up some noticable things, although without signing in --predatorfreak 07:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Elian?
OK, so is Elian the clone of Zigmar, or is he the clone of the son of Zigmar? If so, what happened to Zigmar's original son?
 * Elian is the clone of Zigmar. Also, in reference to Straight Cougar and Kazuma, I believe that in both the anime and the manga, the two are nothing more than mentor/student. Although in Fist, Cougar and Kazuma address each other as brothers, I think it more in terms of endearment. Earlier in the series, during a fight between Cougar and Kazuma, Cougar claims that the two were "nothing more than two strangers that crossed paths" (Not literally quoted). -Sketch-The-Fox 00:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Straight Cougar
There seems to be a minor edit war over Cougar's fate at the end of the series. On the one hand, I don't think we should include details pertaining to this episode only, since they aren't included in the other character's descriptions. On the other hand, it's ambiguous what happens (or it was to me- I never even considered the possibility he had died until I read it here). I've edited it to somewhere in between for now; any ideas? --Ntg 04:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think he died, I doubt they would let him survive what happened to him already, just to pass away quietly in a lawn chair. Jack Cain 08:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

It's strongly implied that Straight Cougar dies. Martin Jigmar and Cougar had both been put through Refinement, and Jigmar died after using his full-power Alter. Cougar is seen using his full-power Alter in his fight against Mujo, and I would assume this causes his subsequent death. --Sketch-The-Fox 03:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

My point is: It seems like if we even include whether he lived or died, for consistency, we would have to add it to the other character descriptions as well. I personally think we should keep spoilers to a minimum, even with the warning. What do you think? --Ntg 04:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Zigmarl aged noticeably and died within hours of using his full power. The effect was immediate and there was no question as to the effects - He immediately became extremely weak, substantially and visibly aged, and then died. When Cougar was shown he had not aged. He was still in full control of himself. The website hosting it is down, but Google Images still has it cached: http://images.google.com/images?q=Straight+Cougar+episode+26&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images That is a picture of Cougar as he sat in the deck chair. Note that he has not substantially or visibly aged. Likewise, he showed no signs of weakness as he was able to easily sit up, laugh, and converse with the children about Alter power. Maybe he aged as he sat back in the chair, and I blinked and missed it, but from what I saw, he showed none of the signs that Zigmarl did before his death. How do you explain that Zigmarl died nearly immediately after using full power, but Cougar managed to survive long enough to save everyone, run away by his lonesome, and then find a deckchair and a drink somewhere sunny? It seems like a huge stretch to me. I'm also curious about the effects of the refinement. He was also naturally more powerful than Cougar - He had to be or Cougar would have been leading HOLY. Perhaps Cougar's power was sufficiently less than Zigmarl's to avoid the effects it had on Zigmarl? How to explain... Think of it like balloons. Zigmarl and Cougar had the same size balloons. Zigmarl blew into his as hard as he could, and the balloon popped. But Cougar couldn't take as deep a breath, so when he blew into his as hard as he could it just inflated but didn't pop? Note I'm not denying Cougar died. The sudden slow talking and movement, the way his arm went limp and he sighed - That all said slow, peaceful death. I'm just pointing out that he didn't die like Zigmarl, so we can't be sure they died because of the same thing. I assumed Zigmarl's rapid aging was due to his use of Alter Alias and had nothing to do with being refined, while his weakness and subsequent death were because of going full power after a refinement. Drago 07:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

...I was under the impression that Cougar was just finally able to relax - maybe he fell asleep, but I doubt he died. MasterXiam 09:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I pretty sure he died. I doubt his arm would limp like it did unless he died. Also, while he is talking to the three kids, there is a view of the back of his boot. It was torn and his entire lower leg was bandaged, implying he was in pain. Finally, the last words Cougar says sounds like advice of a dying man all the while slowing losing his energy. He's dead, sorry. : (    --Nickmaster 20:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

It's sad, but Straight Cougar died. It is a stereotypical situation in most anime - and to be fair, in most forms of entertainment - to have a character impart some last wisdom for the reader, listener, or viewer immediately before their death. Cougar's 'last words' and his actions were the typical words and actions of a dying man. As the previous poster has said, 'He's dead, sorry.' Assuming he's not is wishful thinking. Drago 07:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

His fate is left deliberately amibiguos, like the end of Kazuma's and Ryuho's fight. It was made that way so that the individual viewer could decide what his fate was, and not piss off half the fan base. It's a common trick, don't edit it to whichever ending you like best.

Request for Expansion
Hey I would love to second this request, great series (the first time I've actually spent time watching anime!) Although the entry on Wikipedia is quite confusing and is in dire need of clean up (someone with more wikiskills than me!) Thanks to all those that contribute!

Cleanup: Characters
The character section looks like it needs some cleanup, so I created a Template for classifying the characters.

Any objections? - Razer64 22:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * HOLY_Members_of_Scryed should probably be moved to s-CRY-ed. Kazuma and Ryuhou probably do not need to have their own pages redirecting to HOLY_Members_of_Scryed, as Kazuma seems to be a widely used name and I'm guessing there are other real people with the name Ryuhou as well.  I realize this is a worldwide encyclopedia and I don't know too much about other cultures, but I have very strong doubts that this show warrents two pages and numerous redicts to those pages.
 * -Wirewad 07:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The reason I created the template and seperate articles for the characters in the first place was because the characters section in the Scryed page required (and still does require) some major cleanup.  The intent is to create categorisation similar to what has been done for the Fullmetal Alchemist article - only basic info on the main page, with indepth information on seperate pages.  The current pages themselves are still nowhere near what they need to be - but they're better than what was before.  As for monopolising the Kazuma and Ryuhou articles with redirects, that's an issue that will be resolved should one ever arise.  Currently in Western culture, there are no other prominent figures with the names of Kazuma or Ryuho, though should this ever be a problem, it can easily be solved by creating a disambiguation page. - Razer64 02:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've looked at other pages as you suggested and I've come to the conclusion that your idea is a good one. I just wish someone would clean up this page as it is a great show. If I had time, I'd do it, but I'm not going to have time for another couple months. And honestly, The only characters I know anything about are the main ones and that's only from the TV Series that played on adult-swim. I appreciate you clearing this up for me. :)
 * Wirewad 23:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Kazuma
Hello. Has anyone noticed how fat Kazuma's information looks compared to all the other characters? I'm thinking that he should get his own page. Any and all feedback on the issue would be greatly appreciated. Ace Class Shadow 08:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone has created an article, Kazuma_Torisuna. It greatly needs cleanup. For now, I will turn it into a redirect to Inner_Characters_of_Scryed. I know nothing about this topic, and will not likely be back to these articles again. Feel free to remove the redirect and write a decent article on Kazuma. --Xyzzyplugh 05:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Alters
May I suggest that a separate page for each character's alter. I thought I should get some opinions on it before I (or anyone else) starts the idea. This will also help in the character balance problem (see above) at the Scryed main page.


 * I can understand the appeal of this idea, But very few of the alter powers would be good candidates for this. Plus, I find alter powers to be too closely connected with their users. In the end, These Abilities are little more than fighting techniques.


 * Ace Class Shadow 17:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

What is the third form of Ryuhou's alter?--Salvax 22:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Zetsuei Touryudan, as mentioned in the article. -.- ACS (Wikipedian) 20:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry--guess I can't read well...--Salvax 01:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe; Maybe not. Don't sweat it. Sorry if I gave you an insulting "Duh!" answer. ACS (Wikipedian) 04:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Torizuna/Treasoner
It's a common misconception that Kazuma has a surname in the manga (Torizuna). In fact he doesn't as Kazuma is called "トリズナのカズマ" (Torizuna no Kazuma) in the japanese version of the manga, which translates as "Kazuma, The Treasoner". Tokyopop mistranslated this as Kazuma "The Treasoner" Torizuna, giving him a surname that didn't really exist in the first place.

Kazu-kun 20:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Kazuma's age
At the beginning of the series Kanami's 8 years old and Kazuma's 16 years old. One may find this info on the official japanese site

Kazu-kun 22:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, checking the link to the official site at the bottom of the page, nobody's age is listed there. Edward321 05:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah. In fact they were taken from Bandai official english site, but it seems down now. Anyway, since it's down, I think it's really important to have their known ages on the article so that info don't get lost. Kazu-kun 19:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Currently, it's unsourced information, the English site isn't even linked from the article. (If it was, the information could be conformed using the Internet Archive.) Edward321 15:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Are Kazuma and Cougar brothers?
As the wiki article states: "although they often refer to each other as brothers, there is no concrete information to show that they are actually related" Also in episode 26, while Kazuma and Ryuhou are fighting, Cougar himself says that Kazuma is LIKE his brother. This could be taken as proof that they are not related.

Kazu-kun 06:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Which came first?
was it the manga or the anime? i'm guessing the manga came first but for some reason i'm not sure. the only articles i can find on scryed are about the anime with very little information about the manga.

The manga is the adaptation based off the original anime series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.93.81 (talk) 01:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes To The Trivia
I'd like to mention that, aside from the information in the Trivia section seeming out of place (it should be moved under the explaination about Alters), Kazuma and Ryuhou DO NOT age like Zigmarl. Their "wrinkles" are simply scars indicating their Alter use. I just wanted to make that clear.

-The Helldragon

The Opening
The opening has three versions, not two, which correspond to the three verses of the song. The third episode has it. IIRC it was a mix of Kazuma and Ryuhou, or maybe HOLD or something. --Kajitani-Eizan 05:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, technically there is about 4 openings. The fourth one that I am referring to is the opening to the last episode, when it plays the ending song for all of the other episodes. Halo3master5000 06:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Arial Fight Seqences Referencing other Anime?
In the later episodes, in fight scenes between Kazuma and Ryuhou (once their alters have reached their full potential) they'll briefly jump to a view of the fight from far away and all you see are two steaks of light swirling and clashing in midair. Is this a reference to some earlier anime series? This same effect is used in Episode 6 of FLCL, which predates s-CRY-ed by about year. -SeaFox 01:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Multiple anime often utilizes the same or similar elements. I wouldn't call anything that vague a reference. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

s-cry-ed official site in english
This was the official english scryed site, which is down now. It was launched on 06/02/2003, and was announced on the Bandai site.

Sadly it was flash based, so the cached copy on Internet Archive doesn't work. Several information was obtained from this site when it was still working, including main characters' ages. The site was official, thus there's no question the information is official too, and would be a waste to cut it off just because the site doesn't work anymore. Right now this article is the only place where people can find this information, so I think it's imperative for it to remain here. Kazu-kun 21:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Kanami's Age
Is there any souce that states Kanami's age? She doesn't look like 8 at all. David13579 00:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Anime characters almost never look their exact age. The Norse 21:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The source was the official english site, which is down now. This is explaned better in the post above.Kazu-kun 11:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

CAPS
I notice several words in ALL CAPS. Either these are acronyms, in which case they should be explained, or they aren't, in which case they should be set in Title Case. Thanks, Shinobu 20:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Similarly, according to the consensus here, this article should be moved to S-cry-ed. I'll go ahead and do that after a couple days if no one objects this reasoning... - Onmyounomichi (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It should just be moved to "Scryed" if anything. I'm pretty sure the capitalization is just there for stylistic effect or the way the kanji is pronounced (suKURAIdo). Also no one refers to it as "S-cry-ed", it's either just "Scryed" or the official "s-CRY-ed". - The Norse (talk) 00:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

A joke?
In the definition of s-CRY-ed under the section S-CRY-ed it says, "Finally, Akira uses it twice." This is a joke, right? It's been a while since I saw this series, so I wanted to make sure. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's referring to a different Akira (Mijō), from the manga. She uses it twice, while fighting Mary Jane; once on herself (volume 5, page 21) and once on Hannish (page 37). —TangentCube, Dialogues 22:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. I've never read the manga and I didn't see a character by that name in the article, so I thought it was talking about Akira. Is there a way to make that a little clearer? --Eruhildo (talk) 23:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Other than a name and a link to the character article? —TangentCube, Dialogues 23:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I hadn't checked the article since you made the change. It's much better now. --Eruhildo (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I changed the article after posting that; I was wondering if that was enough. —TangentCube, Dialogues 02:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Zigmarl/Jigmar/Sigmar
This needs some unification across the various SCRYED articles. -- TRTX T / C 03:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)