Talk:SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes/History by company

The main source is (1876).

Electric Traction Company

 * 54 Fox Chase
 * 1911: on 5/6 from Porter
 * 55 Fox Chase & Powell

Citizens' Passenger Railway

 * 32 10 & 11
 * 1876: 10/11, Reed to Diamond; 10, Reed to Mifflin
 * 1911: 10/11
 * Route 6, eliminated in 1920 because it was redundant with 23

Frankford and Southwark Philadelphia City Passenger Railroad

 * 72 Frankford Berks 5 & 6
 * 1876: Kensington-Front-Berks-5/6, Cumberland to Mifflin; Kensington-Frankford, Cumberland to Frankford
 * 1911: on 5/6
 * Route 3 on 12/13
 * Also Route 26 on 6/7, eliminated in 1922?
 * 73 Frankford Lehigh 5 & 6
 * 1876: Kensington-Lehigh-5/6, Cumberland to Powell:
 * 1911: on 5/6
 * Became Route 27 on 12/13, eliminated in 1922?

Lombard and South Streets Passenger Railway

 * 21 Lombard & South
 * 1876: Lombard/South, Front to 25
 * 1911: Lombard/South west of Front into West Philly
 * Combined with Baltimore as Route 40

Second and Third Streets Passenger Railway

 * 71 Frankford 2 & 3
 * 1876: Frankford/Amber-2/3, Lehigh to Mifflin; Frankford, Lehigh to Arrott
 * 1911: on 2/3
 * Combined as Route 5 on 2/3
 * Coral/Amber-Dauphin/York-2/3, Lehigh to Dock
 * Lehigh-Richmond-Frankford-Fairmount/Brown-2/3, Frankford to Dock
 * Became Route 25 on 2/3?
 * 78 Bridesburg
 * 1876: Lehigh-Richmond-Bridge, Frankford to Washington; Richmond, Lehigh-Allegheny
 * 1911: on 2/3
 * Originally ??; later combined with Lehigh as Route 15
 * New Market-Vine-Front, Fairmount to Chestnut
 * Cumberland, Richmond-Amber


 * One of these became Route 28, eliminated in 1928; another became Route 4??

People's Passenger Railway

 * 40 Callowhill
 * 1876: Callowhill, Fairmount Park to Front
 * 1911: crosstown; abandonment planned


 * 34 Norris & Susquehanna
 * 1911: west to 32; on 4/8
 * Route 8 crosstown
 * 43 York & Dauphin
 * 1911: crosstown
 * Route 39 crosstown?
 * 53 Indiana
 * 1911: on 4/8 from Ritner (formely Dauphin) to Rising Sun (formerly Indiana)
 * Route 47 on 8/9?
 * 60 Pelham
 * 1911: on 4/8 south to Pine (formerly Snyder)
 * 63 Willow Grove 4 & 8
 * 1911: on 4/8
 * Route 55 on 10/11 with short-turn Route 19 on 6/7

Germantown Passenger Railway

 * 4/8, Susquehanna to Dickerson or Walnut
 * Became Route 50 on 4/5
 * 58 Chestnut Hill, 59 Chestnut Hill 2nd Section
 * 1876: Germantown, Dauphin to Germantown
 * 1911: on 4/8 to South Philly
 * Route 23 on 10/11
 * 76 Girard
 * 1876: Girard/Parkside, Palmer to Belmont
 * 1911: Allegheny to 63rd
 * Route 15

Green and Coates Streets Philadelphia Passenger Railway

 * 41 Dickinson?
 * 1876: Green/Fairmount-4/8, Fairmount Park to Dickerson or Walnut
 * 1911: on 4/8
 * 42 Beach
 * 1876: Green/Fairmount, 4 to Beach
 * 1911: Green/Fairmount crosstown
 * Combined with Spring Garden as Route 43

Philadelphia Traction Company

 * 2 19 & 20
 * 1911: on 19/20 to South Philly
 * 3 17 & 18
 * 1911: on 17/18 to South Philly
 * 7 Catharine & Bainbridge
 * 1911: crosstown
 * Route 63
 * 8 Federal & Wharton
 * 1911: crosstown
 * Route 64
 * 39 Morris & Tasker
 * 1911: on 22/23; north to York on 31/32
 * Route 29 and Route 7?

Continental Passenger Railway

 * 45 Continental Depot
 * 1911: on north? 18/20; along York/Dauphin to 32 (formerly 22)
 * Route 16 on 19/20, eliminated in 1929
 * 46 Continental Nicetown
 * 1911: on north 18/20 to Hunting Park (formerly Susquehanna)
 * Route 33 on 19/20


 * South part became Route 17 on 19/20

Philadelphia City Passenger Railway

 * 9 Chestnut
 * 1876: Chestnut/Walnut, 42 to Front
 * 1911: on Chester to 65th (formerly Chestnut to 42nd)
 * Route 13
 * Belmont-Lancaster-32-Chestnut/Walnut, Fairmount Park to Front
 * 12 Darby, 86 Darby Subway
 * 1876: Darby-Woodland-Chestnut/Walnut, Darby or Mount Moriah to Front
 * 1911: on Chestnut/Walnut to Front (formerly Woodland to 49th)
 * Route 11 in the subway

Philadelphia and Gray's Ferry Passenger Railway

 * 14 Gray's Ferry
 * 1876: Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-2/3, Schuylkill River to Walnut
 * 1911: to Darby (formerly Gray's Ferry Bridge)
 * Route 12

Ridge Avenue Passenger Railway

 * 44 Ridge
 * 1876: Ridge-9/10-Arch, 22 to 2
 * 1911: Arch to Front (formerly 9); north on 29 to Allegheny
 * Part of Route 48
 * 38 Manayunk
 * 1876: Ridge, Manayunk to 22
 * 1911: into downtown
 * Route 61 on 8/9

Seventeenth and Nineteenth Streets Passenger Railway

 * 50 17 & 19
 * 1876: 17/19, Columbia to Carpenter
 * 1911: on 17/19-Chestnut-Walnut to Front (formerly 4); north to Hunting Park Avenue (formerly Norris)
 * Route 21 on 17/18
 * 51 17 & 19 Short Line
 * 1911: on 17/19
 * Route 32 on 17/18

Thirteenth and Fifteenth Streets Passenger Railway

 * 13/15-Columbia/Master, Washington to Ridge
 * 48 13 & 15
 * 1876: 13/15, Washington to Norris; Broad, south from Washington; Broad, Norris to Glenwood
 * 1911: 13/15 to League Island (formerly Jackson)
 * Route 20 on 12/13


 * 47 Cumberland
 * 1911: 13/15 to Shunk (formerly Locust)
 * Route 24, eliminated in 1929?


 * 49 Wayne
 * 1911: 13/15 to Jackson (formerly Locust)
 * Route 53

Union Passenger Railway

 * Wallace/Spring Garden-7/9-Federal/Wharton, Fairmount Park to Front
 * 4 Richmond 7 & 9
 * 1876: Master/Oxford-7/9-Ellsworth/Christian, loop in Kensington to Broad
 * 1911: on 6/9 to South 22/23 (formerly loop in Kensington only)
 * Route 25 on 2/3?
 * South end became Route 18 on 22/23?
 * 36 Columbia
 * 1876: Columbia-7/9, 23 to Market
 * 1911: on 7/9
 * Route 51 on 8/9
 * Spring Garden/Poplar, Fairmount Park to 7
 * Cedar-Somerset, York to Richmond
 * Combined with Lehigh as Route 54
 * 7/9-Christian/Ellsworth, McKean to 23


 * 33 Cambria 7 & 9
 * 1911: on 7/9 to Arch (formerly Market); to North Philly Station
 * Route 53??


 * 35 McKean
 * 1911: on 7/9; west on Arch to 20/23-Poplar-29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Columbia via 7/Franklin)
 * Route 9?


 * 37 Fairmount
 * 1911: Arch to Front (formerly continued south on 7/9 to Broad & Ellsworth); north to York via 29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Poplar)
 * Route 48?

West Philadelphia Passenger Railway

 * 41-Market, Parkside to Front
 * 23 Haddington-Haverford
 * 1876: Haverford, 41 to 67
 * 1911: via Market
 * Route 30

Empire Passenger Railway (ETCo/PTCo)

 * 1 12 & 16
 * 1876: 12/16, Wharton to Montgomery
 * 1911: on 12/16
 * Became Route 2 on 15/16

Hestonville, Mantua and Fairmount Passenger Railway

 * 29 Race & Vine
 * 1876: Belmont-Lancaster-Haverford/Spring Garden-Race/Vine-2/3, Fairmount Park to Walnut
 * 1911: ran into downtown
 * Route 85?
 * Also combined with Green/Fairmount as Route 43
 * 27 Haddington-Hestonville
 * 1876: Lancaster, Belmont to 52; Arch, 21 to 2
 * 1911: Arch from 20th to Front (formerly 43rd and Lancaster); west to 63rd and Girard (formerly 52nd and Lancaster)
 * Route 44

Unsure which company had these

 * 5 Passyunk
 * 1911: 2/3 to Dock (formerly didn't enter downtown)
 * Route 81
 * 6 Point Breeze
 * 1911: crosstown
 * Route 68, eliminated in 1914
 * 10 Chester Ave.
 * 1911: truncated east of 40th to connect with el
 * 11 Chester Ave. extension
 * 1911: to Darby
 * Route 62
 * 15 52 St.
 * 1911: crosstown
 * Route 35
 * 16 Elmwood
 * 1911: via Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-9/12 to Arch (formerly Paschall)
 * Route 36
 * 17 Island Road
 * Route 45? Route 83?
 * 18 Lancaster-Haddington
 * 1911: Market (formerly Chestnut-Walnut); west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
 * Route 10
 * 19 Baring
 * 20 Girard-Belmont
 * 22 Bala
 * 1911: south to Market (formerly Jefferson)
 * Route 70
 * 24 63 & Vine
 * 1911: into downtown on Market
 * Route 31 and Route 69?
 * 25 West Spruce
 * Route 42
 * 26 Belmont
 * 28 Overbrook
 * Route 41
 * 30 58 & 60
 * 1911: north to 63 & Lansdowne (formerly 60 & Master)
 * Route 46
 * 52 Glenside
 * Route 86?
 * 56 Franklinville
 * 1911: on 5/6; north to Olney (formerly Rising Sun)
 * Route 65
 * 57 Olney
 * 1911: doesn't enter downtown
 * Route 75
 * 61 Chelten
 * 1911: doesn't enter downtown
 * Route 52
 * 62 Chelten-Willow Grove
 * Part of Route 49
 * 64 Willow Grove 13 & 15
 * 65 Doylestown
 * Route 22
 * 66 Hatboro
 * Route 74
 * 67 Berks & Montgomery
 * 1911: on 10/11; turned (east?) at Market (formerly south)
 * 68 Lehigh
 * 1911: west to Ridge (formerly Broad)
 * Route 54
 * 69 Tioga & Dock
 * 1911: on 2/3
 * Route 4?
 * 70 Erie
 * Part of Route 49
 * 74 Frankford-Bridesburg
 * Route 73
 * 75 Torresdale
 * Route 58
 * 77 Jefferson
 * 1911: north to Richmond & Allegheny (formerly Hancock & Lehigh) via a very indirect route including Somerset
 * Route 57
 * 79 Allegheny
 * Route 60
 * 80 Allegheny Short Line
 * 81 Chester
 * Route 76
 * 82 Media
 * Route 71
 * 83 Lansdowne
 * Route 78
 * 84 Middletown
 * Route 77
 * 85 Subway-Elevated
 * Duh
 * 87 Baltimore Subway
 * Route 34
 * 88 Lancaster-Haddington Subway
 * 1911: west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
 * Route 10
 * 89 Baring Subway
 * Route 38

West End Passenger Railway

 * 13 Baltimore
 * 1876: 38/40-40/41-Parkside, Baltimore to Belmont
 * 1911: into downtown on Chestnut/Walnut; west to Cobbs Creek (formerly a loop)
 * East half combined with Lombard/South as Route 40
 * 31 Zoo
 * 1876: 38/40-Locust-33/36-35, Baltimore to Zoo
 * 1911: short loop
 * Route 67; eliminated in 1918

These don't seem to be in the 1911 list

 * Route 14
 * Route 37
 * Route 56
 * Route 59
 * Route 66
 * Route 72
 * Route 79 (recommended as an addition, to turn north on 2/3)
 * Route 80
 * Route 82
 * Route 84

First reply in two years
NE2, I know you haven't worked on this list in two years, but have you ever considered this brochure as an additional source? DanTD (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting - I hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately it doesn't have much, and probably doesn't detail all the 1910s changes (1911 maps of streetcars in Philadelphia). --NE2 23:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Click on some of the pages, and you can find out what years some lines were established, like SEPTA Route 56 in 1907. I admit it doesn't have everything, but still every little bit helps. DanTD (talk) 01:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)