Talk:SIM Boston Chapter

Notability
I'm unclear how this merits an entry over and above Society for Information Management. Of the references added, two are dead for me, one loads an empty page (? I am on a mobile device) and the last does not mention the Boston chapter of SIM, only a SIM event in Boston, which is not the same thing. There is already a page for this organization. Hairhorn (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

All of the links check out from my browser. The reason the Boston Chapter of SIM should have a separate entry is because SIM is a Federated organization. In other words, each Chapter is very different from each other. The Boston Chapter in particular is the oldest with deep roots in the IT community and has achieved much innovation with peer to peer networking and IT leader collaboration. It is also on the forefront of supporting IT NFPs that focus on technology. We are working on getting more references and citations for this entry over the next week or so. I would ask that you give us a little time to complete this page before making a decision. Thank you. --Kmore4567 (talk) 20:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * All of the references now load for me now that I'm on a real computer. However, none of them mentions the Boston chapter of SIM. I'm happy to accept that the Boston Chapter is distinct from Society for Information Management, but the other side of that coin is that the Boston chaper will have to meet the notability requirements on its own merits, you can't establish notability of a chapter by citing refs that mention only the parent organization. I've removed the hangon tag, this page is not currently nominated for deletion. Hairhorn (talk) 23:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict) Note that our guideline on notability of organizations says:
 * Local chapters
 * Individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not notable enough to warrant a separate article unless sufficient notability is established through reliable sources that extend beyond the organization's local area. However, chapter information may be included in list articles as long as only verifiable information is included.
 * Even though the parent organization may be notable, individual chapters of national and international organizations may not be notable enough to warrant a separate article.
 * Local chapter articles should start as a section of the parent organization article. If the parent article grows to the point where it may be split to a new article, and notability can be demonstrated using the general notability guideline, then it can be split.  This should occur as a top down process. See splitsection
 * In line with this, i think a merge to the article about the parent organization would be proper. We do not generally have articles about every local chapter of every federated organization. If there is significant coverage, particularly non-local coverage, in reliable sources of the activities of this chapter, it might be notable on its own. Otherwise probably not. DES (talk) 23:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would advise adding text and references to a section of the parent article as suggested by WP:ORG. Then we can see if a spin-off is warranted. DES (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable approach. We will work on merging the two articles over the next several days and in the mean time keep researching citations distingushing the Boston Chapter from SIM for a possible split in the future. I do have one question, will this discussion be saved for reference or attached to the SIM page? Thank you for your time and explaining the process. --Kmore4567 (talk) 14:25, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you merge and use any actual content from this article, it will probably be converted into a redirect and the attributions preserved by using copied. In that case this talk page should remain at its current location and be available. A link to this discussion should probably be added to Talk:Society for Information Management, or alternatively this discussion could be copied to that talk page.
 * Note that copied, if it is used, will be placed on Talk:Society for Information Management and optional also on this talk page. See WP:MERGE for more. DES (talk) 21:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)