Talk:SIS (Sports Information Services)

Recommend for deletion
It's fairly clear that this article was created by Chrisjarena for the sole purpose of spamming a "sports investing" blog. Now that the external link has been removed, there is no-one driving this article and we are left with a bunch of anecdotes and waffle:

Sports Information Services - The name itself is wrong. This article is all about subscription-based or affiliate driven providers of 'expert' betting information, it's not about general sports information services.

Live Odds - The backbone of every Sports Information Service is the speed and scope of its live odds display. By displaying the real-time betting lines of multiple sportsbooks, Sports Information Services allow their users to find the best line for the wager they want to place. It is possible for a bettor's winning percentage to increase by 3-4% simply by researching and utilizing the best line before placing a wager[1]. For example, some sportsbooks offer better lines on one sport versus another, while other sportsbooks may giver better underdog lines than others, while still others offer excellent desposit bonuses.

The author is basically describing affiliate odds comparison sites (such as Oddschecker.com) who summarise the odds from various bookmakers and exchanges by using xml feeds or their own scrapers. Of course by shopping around for the best odds, a bettor can (slightly) increase profits on winning bets but this will never improve his/her winning percentage as the article states. This section really has nowhere to go. We could probably mention some of the bigger odds comparison sites here but this will attract all sorts of spam, including from 'bookmaker review' site owners.

Market Movement - Tracking market movement is a near-universal feature of Sports Information Services. While many names exists for the phenemonem (steam move, steam play, syndicate play, etc.), the basic premise is idential: observe and report when multiple sportsbooks experience a shift in their betting lines. The idea behind tracking market movement is that it may be possible to single out a wager placed by a betting syndicate, as their bets are large enough to trigger a massive movement of the betting lines across multiple sportsbooks. Many bettors believe that by following these moves they will be aligning themselves with the most sophisticated sports bettors in the world and thus will reap the same profits as those bettors.

This is the same old fantasy sales pitch that has been used for years to exploit novice gamblers. In the 'real world', big bettors (and syndicates) place their bets across a number of different accounts and odds providers (including offline) to avoid detection. As such, it's very hard to discern whether a particular movement is caused by 'sharp' bettors, public interest or new information that has come to hand. The situation is a little different at bet exchanges (where betting activity is most transparent) but identifying any significant price movements would still require an organised team of statisticians and programmers. These individuals would not be wasting their time (or cutting into their own prize-pool) by offering a subscription-based service.

Injury Updates - Injury updates are of extremely high importance to serious sports bettors. There are many outside influences that can cause a betting line to move throughout the day, but nothing can cause it to move as drastically as a major game-related injury. For this reason, one of the most important features of any Sports Information Service is providing timely and accurate injury updates. If a Sports Information Service can get injury news to its users before the general public is aware of it, then there can be great value to those bettors in placing their wagers before the lines shift in response to the injury news. Even if the injury news is not first reported by a Sports Information Service, it may still be valuable to have that injury information as soon as possible after the line moves, as sports bettors use this information to determine if the public has over- or under-reacted to the injury.

This is just nonsense. They don't have special arrangements with spies on the ground at closed training sessions. All they are doing is taking advantage of amateur bettors who don't know any better (e.g. who use official sites like NBA.com instead of more frequently updated sports information services like Rotoworld.com). Again, if anyone really had information about key injuries before the rest of the world, would they be sharing it with anyone? Wayniac (talk) 23:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems like this should just be redirected to Tipster or Handicapping. The basic point is just a tipster organization.  2005 (talk) 00:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have absolutely no affliation with the blog that I linked to and I find most of what you say offensive. I spent time creating an unbiased and fair look at sports investing and you have deleted it for no reason. I don't think you should be removing useful information simply because you disagree with it. I am one of many people who utilize these type of services to make profit. I believe I laid out the information in a manner to be useful to someone searching for it and your reasons for deletion are baseless and petty. The fact that you don't find Sports Information Services to be useful does not mean that others don't, or that others wouldn't want to know what they are when searching for them in an encyclopedia. Your feedback was neither constructive nor professional, and I will not try writing any further entries in the future. Chrisjarena (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I spent considerable time outlining what I believe are serious issues with your article. What specifically do you find "baseless and petty"? Your [article] still exists by the way, it was just redirected. Wayniac (talk) 08:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * For one, your general tone is condescending and unprofessional. Again, this was meant to be an encyclopedic entry on a service that tens of thousands of people utilize. Whether or not you believe in it means nothing. I wasn't trying to sell anything and I purposely didn't link to any of the services so that no one would get the idea I was trying to sell anything. I linked to the blog just to show that there is research being done in sports investing, but if that was a misstep then you could have simply deleted the blog link. Again, I have NO affiliation with it whatsoever. All you have done in your thorough "outline" is provide your personal opinion on the subject, i.e. "This is just nonsense.." Your comment is demeaning and inane. This topic was created to explain what Sports Information Services do for the customer, and injury reporting and everything else I wrote is what they do. Whether or not you think it is "nonsense" doesn't change the fact that these are the services they provide. Again, this is not an opinion articles, its an encyclopedia article.


 * In summary, the fact is that people use these services and I it is useful to document what they do (or try to do) so that others can look it up and understand it. Even people who think it's rubbish, like you. Why you feel that this should be deleted is beyond me. Would you put in to delete the entry on "horoscopes" because you don't believe in them and think people who do are morons? No, of course not, because horoscopes exist and are worth documenting in an encyclopedia, regardless of your personal opinion on the matter. Chrisjarena (talk) 18:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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