Talk:SM Entertainment/Archive 1

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ummm why is Boa and Ayumi no longer on this page??? Small5th 23:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahyoomee's at the bottom. I put BoA back in; don't know why she was taken out. SKS2K6 04:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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"Shallow"
Is this section really needed? It makes the article sounds too biased, especially since there's no definite proof of SM going only for looks (other than fans' complaints).

I have read one complaint from a member of H.O.T.'s fanclub, but it can't be completely verified.

Mitsuki152 00:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * nevermind Mitsuki152 19:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Trainees
I removed all trainees from the article. This information is not sourced (and not really source-able) and I'm not sure any of them are even noteable enough for mention in an encyclopedic article. Seems to me it's just too easy for any girl who wants to convince her friends on the internet that she's dating Micky Yoochun to just post her name on the list as "evidence." Also, since they are paying to go to Starlight Academy (if I understand correctly? please step in if I'm wrong!), they are more like students than performers, and I don't think students can be considered worthy of mentioning just by virtue of where and what they study. Until a method can be found to reliably source who is a trainee, and it can be demonstrated they belong in the article, I personally don't feel they should be re-included. (IMO, we also have to consider some of these kids are like 12 years old.) If by some chance they are re-included, their names also need to be written according to WP:NC-KO. -- hamu♥hamu ( talk ) 14:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Comedians
Who removed the "comedians" section in the roster? Please bring them back.
 * Kim Kyung-sik
 * Jeon Hwan-kyu
 * Hong Rok-gi
 * Lee Dong-woo
 * Kim Yeong Chul


 * I removed them. They are not linked to articles.  Create the articles first.  Everard Proudfoot (talk) 05:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Roster
Don't edit the article unless you have webpage reference. As for the case of TVXQ, Members only stayed with SM are U-Know and Max. Please put the other three on the "Left the Company" section. Also, don't put "Iconiq" under the "former" unless you have proof on Ahyoomee's contract expiration with SM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominichikaru  (talk • contribs)  00:54, 05 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're one to talk, seeing how you added a list of talents without a source. Unless you have a reliable source that says they left the company and are not just in a dispute with them, then they stay where they are. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 05:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, please do not put TVXQ anymore in the current roster of the recording artists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.92.242.2  (talk • contribs)  01:03, 05 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source that states they are no longer recording artists of the company? 夢  追人  YumeChaser 05:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Xiah, Micky and Hero are now former employees of SM Entertainment, so why put the whole members on the TVXQ list? And Regarding the K-pop ballad duo The Blue, they should be included in the current roster, as their activity with SM has'nt been ended yet. And they also have an official website The Blue Official SM Entertainment Website. You should not deleted the band's article before. See the Korean Wikipedia for proof. And a big PLEASE, please refer all the article's source not only on Korean websites given but also the Korean Wikipedia itself to avoid confusion. Clear?
 * Do you have a source that states Xiah, Micky, and Hero are no longer apart of SM? If not they stay. The Blue does not have an article so when a article is created then you may add them to the list. A link to their website doesn't mean anything. The Korean Wikipedia is not a reliable source, so there is no reason anyone to look at it for "proof". 夢  追人  YumeChaser 11:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

How about Han Geng? Back to The Blue, even if someone will create the article about them, it'll going to be deleted due to "unsignificance", as shown on Wikipedia's Terms and Conditions, so better not brag. If the article is created and them deleted, well, it should be done all over and over again.124.105.9.45 (talk) 01:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What about him? The problem with The Blue is maybe that there may not be enough information on them that can be backed up with reliable sources, so that is why the article was deleted repeatedly. If you can find sources for them then I'll create the article and then you can add them to the roster and template. If not then leave it be. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 02:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

WARNING: Nobody will edit the article unless that ******* source is verified, acceptible and truly valid. Period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.9.45 (talk) 04:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC) Anna (real name Son Anna)is a talent of SM Entertainment and is from Nine Media Goup. She is only promoted by SM Entertainment.
 * What? No source for Anna, so she is removed. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 01:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, nobody will edit the article unless that ******* source is verified, acceptible and truly valid. Wait, aren't we supposed to create an article for the artist before we put it in the roster? Meaning, no article, no inclusion to the roster? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.45.82 (talk) 06:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

YouTube problems
SM Entertainment has deleted Donkey Kong Country videos on YouTube, according to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzMUUjGccI&feature=related 161.130.178.7 (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is Sony Music Entertainment. --Christian140 (talk) 10:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Unbiased Language
Just removed the phrase "Money machine by enslaving the artists" from the description of S.M.'s services. I might be wrong, but that phrase seems more than a little biased, and considering this is an article, not a blog post, I think contributors should try to avoid that kind of bias in their language. 67.168.204.204 (talk) 21:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2014
Contractual dispute with Kris Wu On May 15, 2014, almost five years after Hangeng filed his case against SM Entertainment, Kris of EXO filed a lawsuit to terminate his exclusive contract with SM Entertainment.[56] It was first reported on Chinese news portal Sina[57], with various reactions from fans. Korean news sites TV Daily[58], Korea Herald[59], eNews[60][61], Nate[62], TV Report[63], and Daum[64][65] followed suit. Details as to when the lawsuit was first filed, what the lawsuit demands are, and Kris’s reasons behind it, have yet to be confirmed.[66] Kris is reportedly being represented by the same law firm that represented Hangeng, Hankyul Law Firm.

Please change: "Members Sehun[67], Chanyeol[68] and Tao[69] have also posted on their Instagram accounts their feelings of betrayal and confusion, prompting fans to suspect that something is going on behind the scenes."

To: "It is said that S.M. Entertainment has confiscated EXO's phones, and are currently in total control of their social media. Using the popular app, Instagram, it is believed that Tao's post about feeling betrayed was a fabricated statement written by S.M. staff themselves. Tao has given subtle hints by posting on some of his social media networks, trying to get the idea across that he still supports EXO and Kris. It is reported that these posts were very quickly deleted afterward. S.M. does not seem to have custody of Luhan's weibo account either–who had changed his background to a picture of a galaxy, a term often related to Kris. With their phones confiscated, all of the member's instagram accounts had unfollowed Kris except one member–Baekhyun. It is believed that Baekhyun had told the staff he did not have his phone, and that he had forgotten his password. "

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2014
Orangegala (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC) please let me in for ur help

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Tao
Can better sources (other than the un-reliable ones) be used for Tao's lawsuit against SM? I can't even edit the Exo article right now because all I see is Soompi and Koreaboo (both, which are considered unreliable according to consensus). Thanks and I hope someone can fix this. Tibbydibby (talk) 17:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Subsidiaries
I wanted to ask everyone what they thought before I went ahead and did it. I was wondering what everyone thinks of removing the whole Subsidiaries section with the S.M. Culture & Contents and Woolim Label lists out of this page and having them on solely their own pages. S.M. Culture & Contents and Woollim Entertainment, I don't think we really needed more than one or two listings on more than page with the same content do we? Alicia leo86 (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The problem with duplicated lists is that every change needs to be done on both locations at the same time. Having a list on more than one location fights against logic of wiki where even smallest detail can be linked to from another source. Monni (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what I was thinking. I think it's kind of silly to even have the Subsidiaries section in this article when they have their own pages. So I think I will move it over to their own. Besides the Subsidiary names are listed in the infobox. Will work on doing that now.Alicia leo86 (talk) 23:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

add ESteem under history?
SM ent had form partnership with Esteem but there no information on the wiki page. can someone add it in?

(138.75.166.247 (talk) 02:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with SM Rookies
I don't think the rookies are notable enough for their own article. Random86 (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Should merge it then. Alicia leo86 (talk) 04:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Musicians section proposal
Considering that the official SM Town website doesn't separate sub-units/groups and project units from their main groups and both groups/sub-unit and soloist lists would get long can I propose that we try a new layout of the musicians section... perhaps like the following? Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:47, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Groups
 * EXO
 * EXO-K
 * EXO-M
 * EXO-CBX
 * f(x)
 * Girls' Generation
 * Girls' Generation-TTS
 * Kangta & Vanness (Inactive)
 * M&D
 * NCT
 * NCT U
 * NCT 127
 * NCT DREAM
 * Red Velvet
 * S (Inactive)
 * S.E.S.
 * S.M. The Ballad (Inactive)
 * S.M. The Performance (Inactive)
 * SHINee
 * Super Junior (Hiatus)
 * Super Junior-Donghae & Eunhyuk (Hiatus)
 * Super Junior-Happy (Inactive)
 * Super Junior-K.R.Y.
 * Super Junior-M (Hiatus)
 * Super Junior-T (Inactive)
 * TOHEART (Inactive)
 * TRAX (Inactive)
 * TVXQ (Hiatus)
 * The Blue (Inactive)
 * The Grace (Inactive)
 * The Grace-Dana & Sunday (Inactive)
 * Younique Unit (Inactive)

Soloists
 * BoA
 * Kangta
 * Dana
 * Chu Ga-yeoul (Inactive)
 * Sunday (Inactive)
 * Zhang Liyin (Hiatus)
 * Iconiq (Inactive)
 * J-Min
 * Taemin
 * Jonghyun
 * Amber
 * Yunho (Hiatus)
 * Taeyeon
 * Changmin (Hiatus)
 * Henry
 * Zhou Mi
 * Kyuhyun
 * Ryeowook (Hiatus)
 * Yesung
 * Tiffany
 * Luna
 * Lay

More
Exo has been in the billboard 12 times Cupcakelatis (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Jessica Jung
Can I list Jessica Jung as a former member of SMTOWN for the time being? She is technically kicked out of Girls' Generation and possibly suspended from SM Entertainment until further notice. Tibbydibby (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No her contract with SM has not been terminated. The only known thing is that she will not participate with Girls' Generation but her contract exists outside of that realm, she is still signed under SM as of now. Asdklf&#59; (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah I thought so. Thanks for letting me know! :) Tibbydibby (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I like that Kwon Xu Ri (talk) 08:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 30 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: pages moved. Andrewa (talk) 02:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)


 * S.M. Entertainment → SM Entertainment
 * S.M. Entertainment discography → SM Entertainment discography
 * S.M. Culture & Contents → SM Culture & Contents

– (resubmitting, added two more article) Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TRADEMARK. It is shown in their official websites and introduction that they are using "SM Entertainment" as their company name rather than "S.M. Entertainment". Third-party sources also uses SM Entertainment rather than S.M. Entertainment. Wefk423 (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: Reuters and Korea Exchange revealed the name change to "SM Entertainment" too. Heolkpop (talk) 06:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per above, also Yonhap News, which is one of the most reliable Korean news website in English, also uses "SM Entertainment". Snowflake91  (talk) 13:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: per above. Abdotorg (talk) 14:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Post move
,, , , the article leads will need some work to reflect the name changes and possibly elsewhere in the articles too... I'll get to it in time but any help appreciated. TIA Andrewa (talk) 02:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And it seems under control, thanks Heolkpop. Andrewa (talk) 07:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a problem! However, I may need some help with SM-related categories. Thanks, Heolkpop (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I think that is best in a section of its own. (As probably this unrelated problem would have been too, it's good to leave a trail in the talk page and eventually in its archives not just in its page history, as the history isn't as easily searched. But no great harm done.) Andrewa (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Related categories
What specifically? Andrewa (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Categories such as this and sub-categories under it. There are lots of them. Heolkpop (talk) 10:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK... that's a new area for me. Agree they should be renamed, and it should be uncontroversial. See Categories for discussion. I think this would fall under WP:C2D: Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name... because the page was just moved after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename. There was explicit and strong consensus to rename. Andrewa (talk) 11:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Net Income
SM lost like ₩4M in 2017 why they have that net profit in 2017. It's wrong. EunBRise (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Controversies
I've been wanting to discuss about the 'controversies' section in this article and I hope this is the right place? In informing people about the company SM, I wish this part can be removed because it hinders the image of the company. I'm not trying to deny that these things happened or say it's wrong because they did happen. But I looked at the pages for JYP and YG, who consists of the "Big 3" with SM in Korea entertainment, and they don't have a section like this. While Wikipedia is meant to inform, I think there wouldn't be any problem informing people about SM if this section wasn't there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC99:DE00:5136:6696:15D9:8AA9 (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello there! You have certainly found the right place.  The appropriate policy is [|found here].  Please review, and then let us know if the sourced content violates this policy, and if so, why.  If it doesn't violate the policy, then the sourced content should be left in the article.  Any un-sourced content, particularly if controversial, should be removed.    78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also note that Wikipedia is not here to protect the image of any company. Neutral Point of View means we use reliable sources and provide balance. Most of these controversies were notable in Korea news media, there shouldn't be any trouble finding reliable sources. Evaders99 (talk) 02:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Though you have pointed out a valid point in the unequal treatment of the Big 3, instead of requesting the 'Controversies' section under SM Ent. removed (that reports details of factual events), I believe it would more politically correct to pursue equality by requesting similar 'Controversies' sections under the other companies. However, whether they have anything controversial or not is another matter. — KiddTan (talk) 03:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Jong-hyun (SHINee) Suicide Controversy
Further to this section, I would like to humbly pose the following question to my fellow Wikipedians with more experience. Why wasn't the suicide of Jong-hyun—lead singer of SHINee—in 2017 being mentioned here? — KiddTan (talk) 03:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit request
On the first sentence of the page, it is falsely stated that the company was founded by Do Kyung-soo when it should be Lee Soo-man. Under "Owner" it is listed as Do Kyung-soo again when it should be Lee Soo-man. Woopwoopwompwomp (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request
In the second paragraph, Big Time Rush has been falsely added into the list of K-pop artists. They were an American Pop boy band signed under Colombia Records, not SM Entertainment. Reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Time_Rush_(band) Woopwoopwompwomp (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

f(x) fanclub name
"Aff(x)tion" "Diamond" and "Plus" are not f(x) official fanclub name, as of May 2014, S.M. Entertainment has not announce the fanclub name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lpmfx (talk • contribs) 14:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

"Cho Jun-young" listed at Redirects for discussion
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HYBE’s SM entertainment shares
Please refer to recent articles in the Korea Times as well as KED global where it states that HYBE was only able to divest of 6.7% of their shares even though they intend to sell them all to Kakao. I believe they may still be shareholders. Italiano2023$ (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)