Talk:SS Emperor/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 13:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll get to this one shortly. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lead:
 * The second paragraph is full of details that really don't need to be in the lead. Definitely needs to be cut down on the intricate details that really should only be in the body of the article.
 * Background:
 * "in 1882, Onoko, an iron freighter, temporarily became the largest ship on the lakes." while interesting... I can't see how this helps our understanding of the ship built in 1907.... same for "Two years later, a steel package freighter, Susquehanna, became the largest vessel on the lakes." and "In 1895, the first 400 feet (121.9 m) freighter was constructed. The first 500 feet (152.4 m) freighters were built five years later."
 * What were her crew numbers when launched?
 * I don't think this is stated anywhere.
 * Lead:
 * The second paragraph is full of details that really don't need to be in the lead. Definitely needs to be cut down on the intricate details that really should only be in the body of the article.
 * Background:
 * "in 1882, Onoko, an iron freighter, temporarily became the largest ship on the lakes." while interesting... I can't see how this helps our understanding of the ship built in 1907.... same for "Two years later, a steel package freighter, Susquehanna, became the largest vessel on the lakes." and "In 1895, the first 400 feet (121.9 m) freighter was constructed. The first 500 feet (152.4 m) freighters were built five years later."
 * What were her crew numbers when launched?
 * I don't think this is stated anywhere.
 * What were her crew numbers when launched?
 * I don't think this is stated anywhere.
 * I don't think this is stated anywhere.


 * Service history:
 * "She commended her maiden voyage on May 3, 1911" did you mean "She commenced her maiden voyage on May 3, 1911"?
 * "One of Emperor's deckhands was swept overboard in the storm." What was his fate?
 * Final voyage:
 * "After unloading a cargo of coal in Thunder Bay"... can we have a date here to help ground the reader chronologically?
 * ✅. I assume this happened on June 3.
 * Aftermath:
 * "In order to deter potential looters, the body was later reportedly sunk end of the stern by Canadian divers" did you mean "In order to deter potential looters, the body was later reportedly sunk at the end of the stern by Canadian divers"?
 * Emperor wreck:
 * I'm assuming the cargo is still around the wreck? Has it spilled or is it mostly in still intact cargo holds?
 * "Wreckage from the canaller Dunelm is located 100 yards (91.4 m) east of Emperor's bow, in about 60 feet (18.3 m). Dunelm ran aground on Canoe Rocks in December 1910, and was freed within a week.[64][70] The wreckage left at the site includes her anchors and chain, and the remains of one of her lifeboats." We can probably condense this down to "Wreckages from the canaller Dunelm who ran aground in 1910 but was freed lies 100 yards east of Emperor's bow." ... although I'm not sure it even needs to be mentioned at all here.
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "Wreckage from the canaller Dunelm is located 100 yards (91.4 m) east of Emperor's bow, in about 60 feet (18.3 m). Dunelm ran aground on Canoe Rocks in December 1910, and was freed within a week.[64][70] The wreckage left at the site includes her anchors and chain, and the remains of one of her lifeboats." We can probably condense this down to "Wreckages from the canaller Dunelm who ran aground in 1910 but was freed lies 100 yards east of Emperor's bow." ... although I'm not sure it even needs to be mentioned at all here.
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * All done. GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 18:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * These look good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 19:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)