Talk:SS Eurana

I think
that I have a picture of this boat. Carptrash (talk) 01:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Mrs. Eurana Schwab
Attempts to correct the name of Mrs. Schwab, wife of Charles M. Schwab (Chairman of Bethlehem Steel, and doubtless the reason Mrs. Schwab was the namesake of the ship), keeps getting reverted. While the SF Examiner source used does give her name as "Mrs. Eurana E. Schwab", it is likely that this is an error on their part: the New York Times obituary for Mrs. Schwab gives her name as "Mrs. Emma Eurana Dinkey Schwab" (and her husband as the same Charles M. Schwab). Another newspaper article published after her death gives her name as "Mrs. E. Eurana Schwab", which is a version of the Times name. Insisting on what is likely an incorrect initial because it's given in a single source is both dubious and an unnecessary detail unless there are other Eurana Schwabs around who are likely to be confused with her. (The reason her husband has the middle initial is because broker Charles R. Schwab is also very well known and likely to be confused with Charles M.—their articles are mutually disambiguated.)

Omitting any initials from the name makes sense, given the conflict between these sources; insisting on its retention needs an explanation here. Pinging editor Crook1 for that explanation, since the addition of a disambiguating note (which does not interrupt the flow of the article at all, and noted the source discrepancies) was not deemed satisfactory. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You were told already that her preferred name was Eurana. The name is correct, but more importantly, this article is about ship, named incidentally Eurana. Which kind of tells you what name she preferred. She also sponsored more than one ship, and every time she was presented as Eurana Schwab. Now, if you want to write an article about Mrs. Schwab, feel free to do so and discuss which name she went by and why, but this minor redundant argument about which specific name should go first does not belong here.Crook1 (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, I wasn't told any such thing. You are probably confusing me with your GA reviewer. However, looking at MOS:NAME and its subsections, it's clear the thing to do is to remove her initials and also unnecessary uses of "Mrs.", which I have done. Please do not revert unless you can cite a reason from the Wikipedia Manual of Style. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Crook1, your latest reversion of my edits without further discussion makes it clear that you are not interested in true accuracy here. You know that the sources disagree as to her exact name, yet you insist on retaining an initial that is dubious despite the MOS. I've spent enough time on this. Be aware that so long as you insist on retaining dubious material, the Good Article nomination cannot succeed, since it fails verifiability. Is it really worth it? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Second image and other ideas
Hello! I noticed this article is in need of extra images. Is there a particular reason why this image is unused, even though it comes from the US Navy Naval History and Heritage Command? It is an odd aspect ratio, yet it serves as a good example of what her dazzle camouflage looked like. The NHHC also has a third image of the ship, albeit at a poor angle. This image can be used in a pinch, seeing images such as this have been used as accompanying images. Regarding other images, has anyone found illustrations of the ship's equipment or sister ship? These images can illustrate the types of technology used onboard. Also, wouldn't it be possible to add an image of the shipwreck's location? Would it be beneficial for me to serve as a set of fresh eyes, to potentially correct violations of MOS:NAME and the problems with elegant variation? I wanted to ask this beforehand, seeing the amount of reversions and disagreements done. GGOTCC (talk) 02:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * They are kind of poor. there are better images that should eb out of copyright in 2024.Crook1 (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)