Talk:SS Paris (1916)

Speedy deletion
Most of this page is not from the three sites this page is supposed to be a copy violation of. The parts that connected to those sites, reference directly to these sites. At worst, this article needs slight rewording of some parts, not deletion. Edward321 23:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know that that's true. The whole intro, sentences and the whole second paragraph of "Interior", sentences from "Engines", most of "Life on Board", and numerous sentences from "Destruction" are all direct copies or very close paraphrases of the three sites. The article needs to be almost entirely re-written to avoid copyright violation (I tried to make a start, but I don't know enough about ships to be sure that my rephrases are accurate). VoluntarySlave 00:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This article does not need to be deleted, I am still in the process of changing the wording so it does not violate copyright but I was accidentally blocked so I could not do anything about it. Also the sections "Engines" and "Life on board" are influenced by I book I own about ocean liners and if you look at the links you will see that those parts are not from those sites. I am re-wording the page so it does not violate copy right, but this is a very good article for being just one day old. I mean it has pictures, references, and even an info box so I do not think it needs to be deleted, only re-worded in the intro, some parts of "interior", and "destruction". User:Daniel Chiswick 19 May, 2007.

I reworded some of the article, but I do not think anymore needs to be done since all the copied material are not from the same site and are not in the same order so it doesn't really count. Now if the article was copied from jus one website word for word that would be copy right, but information from a couple of different sites and slight word changing is not the same. User:Daniel Chiswick 19 May, 2007.

Can somebody delete the Speedy deletion thing? I am not allowed to since I created the article. User:Daniel Chiswick 20 May, 2007.
 * For future reference, as I've now removed the speedy delete tag, the websites that are currently being copied are: http://web.greatships.net:81/paris.html http://www.geocities.com/swsodspickly/french.html http://www.greatoceanliners.net/index2.html VoluntarySlave 18:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

More editing needed
There are still chunks of text that are in the exact wording as the websites noted in the speedy deletion notice. Please re-write the article into your own words. You are free to use the facts from the sources, but you must use your own words to describe those facts. Even if these chunks of text come from a number of sources, they remain copyright violations. If this is not rewritten the article will be deleted in accord with wikipedia's copyright policies. Pastordavid 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay I will do that, but the sections "Engines" and "Life aboard the Paris" are my own words and I got my information from a book called "The Great Luxury Liners 1927-1954, A Photographic Record by William H. Miller, Jr. Do I need to change every singe word? It is really hard to reword the whole thing, unless you want to help. User:Daniel Chiswick 20 May, 2007.

I think changing one or two words per sentence will do the job. User:Daniel Chiswick 20 May, 2007.
 * I don't want to be too much of a hardass, but I don't think changing one or two words will really be enough; a close paraphrase is still a copyright violation. The best thing to do would be to go through your sources (or, through this article) and make a list of the facts you want to cite, then re-write the contested sections from scratch using your list of facts, without looking directly at the sources. I'll remove the speedy delete template, because a) I think it's supposed to be used for articles that are straight C&P, whereas you've clearly gone to some trouble to combine material from a range of sources and b) you've expressed a willingness to fix remaining copyright violations. VoluntarySlave 18:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Infobox ship
Perhaps the Infobox Ship might be helpful for the article? If there are no objections I would replace the manually designed infobox. STTW (talk)  13:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds sensible to me. If you think you can convert from one to the other, please do, otherwise I'll reformat the current box so that it is at least consistent with the generic infobox. GDallimore (Talk) 15:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * done! STTW (talk)  17:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. You might like to note that I've tried to start a discussion on the template page to change the background colour as a lot of flags use navy in them and will vanish into the background. GDallimore (Talk) 17:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I like the navy blue, and besides most ship articles have it. You can still see the flag, I think it should stay as is.User:Daniel Chiswick 24 May, 2007.

Normandie
I dont understand why Europa was given to the french line for compensation for normandie, it says that the burning Paris temporarily blocked the new superliner Normandie from exiting drydock....so why was a whole new superliner provided for what sounds like a minor inconvenience....and who was compensating who for what? I am going to assume that where it says compensation for normandie it should say compensation for Paris and fix this. Trottsky 14:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No, this is correct as it stands. The "Normandie" sank during WW2, while being modified for war service, which wouldn't have been necessary if Germany hadn't attacked France. -- 77.7.129.19 14:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Completed in 1921, maiden voyage in 1935 ??
Is this correct? What was the ship doing during those 14 years? -- 77.7.129.19 14:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Answer in the first paragraph. --STTW (talk)  18:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Europa sinking?
"While the Liberté was being refitted in Le Havre, a December gale tore the ship from her moorings and threw her into the half-submerged wreck of the Paris. She settled quickly, but fortunately in an upright position." But the photo caption says it was deliberately sunk??? Confusing wording. Which is it? --71.222.73.210 (talk) 02:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

More photos
The Museum of the City of New York has a ton of photographs if you search "French Line, S.S. Paris" that should be public domain. Opencooper (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)