Talk:SS Santa Rosa (1932)

This new article has been given the title SS Santa Rosa (1932) as there were three different ships to have this name for the same operator, the Grace Line. Santa Rosa (1917) was sold in 1925 and eventually sunk during WWII. Third and last Santa Rosa (1958) is still extant as the MS Emerald, although she too may soon be scrapped. Mariepr (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Images of Santa Rosa/Athinai
About the only free image that might exist of this ship would be a US government photo of her as USAT Santa Rosa. The only such image found on line was a scanned newspaper photo where the photo is owned by the publisher. Grace Line publicity material would still be under copyright by W.R. Grace and Company. Postcards of the ship would also be under copyright by their publishers. There is an image of the ship in her Talpados Line livery from the film The Bullfighter Advances (Ο Ταυρομάχος Προχωρεί). I choose not to seek permission to use a production photo from the making of Raise the Titanic as this was only a footnote to her career. By the time of the filming she was essentially decayed carcass. The non-free screen shot used here may replaced if a free image can be obtained from the US government. Mariepr (talk) 17:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference issues
The referenced The 488th Port Battalion.org has several issues. First it is an inexact copy of Troopships of World War II (Copyright, 1947 by Roland W. Charles). It is inexact in that the original lists the ship under section III, "WSA Troopships ( U. S. Registry)" and the copy inaccurately adds "The US Army Transport, Santa Rosa" as a title. Otherwise it is a true copy. Second, under "Grace Line" fairly accurate information has some problems that are difficult to trace. Specifically, "In 1966 the ships' owners were arrested and the company disbanded after a ferry they owned sank and they were found guilty of negligence." has the 1966 ferry sinking year as if the owners were arrested that year. Other references, Cruseline History for example, from which this may be copied, give that year as 1968. Which web site is copying from which and accurate secondary sources for that situation needs resolution. Palmeira (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Candidate for "lead ship" coverage
Santa Rosa was the lead ship of four built to a single design and completed with almost identical details. Basic characteristics are identical for all four ships. All were launched within a single year and operated as a members of a single service from New York to San Francisco (with extension to Seattle for a few years). They were described as the finest ships on the run and operating on the West Coast, dubbed "The Four Sisters" or "The Big Four" with service as a team of four running mates in the Panama Mail Line subsidiary of Grace. That combined fleet service ended only when Santa Lucia was reassigned to Pacific Mail's South American service from San Francisco to Valparaiso In November 1934 after an agreement between Grace and Panama Pacific Line to begin jointly scheduled service with three of that line's ships between New York and San Francisco.

Very detailed design and construction information is available, some combined for the four ships as an entity, and this article is the likely place for a more detailed description of "The Four Sisters" with the other two — and eventually three — articles pointing here for the details. The as built infobox characteristics are identical in both industry publications and the U.S. registry. I have so far made changes so that those are common (the exception is Santa Lucia with some Navy data). With this becoming a more detailed "class" leader article as an eventuality some on those other ships can be included as well as Santa Rosa's singular history. Palmeira (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)