Talk:Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas

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Saad Bin Abi Waqqas

I have the book 'Asharah Mubasharah, by Muahmmed Iqbal Siddiqi. It has a pretty good section on Hazrat Sa'd, and when I might get the time I might exapnd his article. I'm just putting the name of the book out there, just in case anyone has any concerns...--DoomsElf 01:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

A point regarding the Shia sections of the page- I think it should be noted in the text that there is an extreme bias in the opinion given by shia scholars on teh subject of the sahaba, and hence either their comments should be removed or at least teh bias should be made clear. Also, how is a 20th century shia writer used as a character reference for the sahaba? Surely the original reference from which he derived his opinion should be included, otherwise its just pure personal opinion. Ya5irha55an 11:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Shi'aism is a breakaway from Islam and is antithetical to it, and there are so many sources within Islam from which to choose from it seems ingenuous to include these derogatory references.

Does anyone know what the name waqqas means? Maybe this could also be put into the article. I have looked around and met several conflicting definitions. What would be ideal would be to have a meaning and an arabic word that it maybe assoiciated with; that's assuming that it is an Arabic name.

Meaning of Waqqas

 * Waqqas means- urbane, humble, refined, carefree, droll, quick, soldier, warrior. Waqas is from Waqis, from waqasa, meaning someone who fuels a fire with wood that he break's himself.


 * The Arabic root meaning - wa qaf sad - 'waqasa' means 'he broke his neck'''

Battle of al-Qādisiyyah
Sa'd was the leader of the Battle of al-Qādisiyyah, how come this is not mentioned? --Maha Odeh (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Answer: Now it has been mentioned as I have noticed myself. (Minhas) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.10.34 (talk) 07:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Sa'd ibn abi Waqqas cursed those who reviled Ali etc
“In Amir bin Sa’d’s tradition under the caption on getting angry regarding the respect to elders, the mention of Hazrat Sad’ds curse upon those people who used to revile Hazrat Ali and Talhah and Zubair (razi Allaho’ ‘anhumal), has already passed. It is there in the same tradition that a she-camel came wherefore the people dispersed and the she-camel chewed that man up. And in Qays bin Hazim’s tradition this has also passed that he (Sa’d) that man who was reviling Hazrat Ali. It says in this tradition that ‘while we had not yet parted, his conveyance sank into the earth and threw down that man headlong on those very rocks whereby that man’s brain was broken and he died. And Sa’eed bin Musayyab’s hadith has also passed that a startle he-camel came, reached that man, hit him, knocked him down and continued to grind him with its chest until it shattered him to pieces. Sa’eed bin Musayyab stated that he saw the people that they ran to Hazrat Sa’d and said: ‘Congratulations’ Your prayer has been granted”. (M. Muhammad Yusuf Kandhlawi, 2004, Hayatus Sahabah (The Lives of the Sahabah), vol.3, New Delhi: Idara Isha’at-e-Diniyat, p.735). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.10.34 (talk) 07:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Sa'd vs Saad
Why is it sometimes in this article rendered as Sa'd and sometimes as Saad? The same inconsistency plagues the Battle_of_al-Qādisiyyah SiltedTea (talk) 04:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Answer: 'Sa'd' is sometime written by 'Sa'ad' by some writers. We may remember that there are Asian, European, American, African writers etc who pronounce differently. English writers write 'Waqqas' as 'Wakkas' too but it means the same thing. We should tolerate all this in larger context and wider interest, because we can't prevent books from publication. (Minhas)

Expansion of the article
The article had been expanded, but I have reverted. The article had become unreadable, and many of the sources were unreliable. The expanded version is here. Fences &amp;  Windows  23:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC) i will verify soon In Sha AllahAhendra (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you any explanation?.

 * This article's lenth has been reduced twice without any reasonable explanation?.Old version of this article shows reliable sources from academic published books, but now those do not exist in the references!!.The old version is here, and second version has been edited and reduced without any explanation or mentioning any wiki rule of policy???.The both editors are experienced and one is administrator too. I would like to ask CambridgeBayWeather,why he removed and reduced the big part of the article which is based on history, this. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The material I removed was a copyright violation. Not only was it copied from some where else but it had no references in it at all. So I removed a copyvio but I didn't remove any "reliable sources from academic published books". If you look at this it shows there were 67 edits by 38 users between the versions you liked to above. If you are talking about the removal of references then you might mean this edit which reverted back to this version, as can be seen here as well. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I briefly noted above why I reverted that edit, but a fuller explanation was given to the editor in question here on their talk page at the time. Here is the note:
 * OK,it's all right, you did as wiki rules,no problem and thanks for explaining.Justice007 (talk) 09:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I realise that your edits must have taken a lot of time, but overall they made that article unreadable. I have reverted to before your expansion. You are using unreliable sources, including copies of Wikipedia, you are using far too many quotations from sources, the format and layout of the article were not according to our standards, and the organisation was confused. Fences  &amp;  Windows  11:20 pm, 28 December 2010, Tuesday (1 year, 5 months, 19 days ago) (UTC+0)

Fences &amp;  Windows  11:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Pictorial Citation From Shahname Ferdowsi
The pictorial citation from Shahnameh does not seem to be appropriate on the page. Shahnameh is the longest Persian epic that the only Arabic name in it is Zahhak which is the cruel Arab king almost synonym to Satan. If you read the Persian poem in the picture, it is not in support of Arab invasions on the pretext of religion. Ironically the poem is referring to the resistance of Persians and not any conquest.

The Persian poem in the aforementioned picture can be found at Norouz-Esfandiar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.177.38.235 (talk) 18:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Move
So... I tried to move the page to the correct form of this name, Saʿd ibn Abī Waqqās, only to find it inexplicably on the Title Blacklist. Any idea why?

There's nothing to be gained by using a nonstandard romanization. Either use the correct glyph $\langleʿ\rangle$ or just give it as a straight apostrophe or omit it. (Possible compromise at Saʿd ibn Abi Waqqas but plenty of other articles are at their macrony forms (as al-Khwārizmī), so I don't see why it's being blocked here. I also don't see why the move was blocked but I was able to create the redirect just fine.) — Llywelyn II   03:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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