Talk:Saab 9000

page re-write
I re-wrote this page because, as a 9000 owner, I felt that it was incomplete, poorly written and in places inaccurate. I would welcome any input. I removed the timeline setup because it is unbecoming of a Wiki page, as far as I can tell.150.212.14.106 (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

edits by somebody who vandalized elsewhere
I do not know if the edits by User:Ohlins8990 are valid or not. The user, with a new account, has vandalized other pages today, so I don't trust him/her. Could somebody who knows check through the history of this article and see if the changes by that user make sense? And Ohlins, care to give me a reason not to want to revert everything you contribute? Please, make yourself useful.  Sean Lotz   talk   08:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

9000 Cabrio
I've NEVER heard of that in my life. Anyone have any evidence that such a thing existed, and what we're looking at is in fact that, and not a 900 with different headlights. Mjl0509 02:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, at https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=935577946482734 there is a video by Valmet showing the process of making the concept car. // Liftarn (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Dimension changes
According to the article, the car length was changed from 4.66 to 4.76 m (i.e. 10 cm) in 1992, and the width was changed from 1.67 to 1.77 m in 1997. This are significant changes; however, the article contains no information aside from the mere data. I mean, 10 cm wider! How was that done? Did it benefit the cabin space, or was it an external sheet metal change? Weird. Thyl Engelhardt 213.70.217.172 (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Those figures are wrong.

--Typ932 T&middot;C 17:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * model	original 9000	   CS	      CD
 * lenght	        4620 mm    4761 mm   4780 mm
 * width	        1764 mm    1778 mm   1764 mm

BHP Figure ...
I notice that 220 bhp is the stated output re: 9000 Carlsson. This may be true of the 2.3 CD, but my 1990 one has 204 bhp. I checked this with the guys on saabcentral.com. Either a correction or clarification is needed I think. Deadpc (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

EPA "Full Size" Car
The Saab 9000 was the first import to be classified as a "Large Car" by the EPA. It had 8 more cubic feet of passenger volume than a comparable Volvo 740. It also had a larger interior volume than the Rolls-Royce which the EPA classified as a Midsize. The Mercedes-Benz 380SE was a Compact in 1986 (the first year the Saab 9000 was sold in the United States) while the Jaguar XJ was a mere Subcompact at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevjgav (talk • contribs) 12:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

No 'Flatnose' picture
83.70.249.14 (talk) 17:43, 10 September 2011 (UTC)deadpc

I would associate the 9000 most typically with the original mid '80's 'flatnose' model, and I suspect that many others would too. There used to be a picture of a black Carlsson version of said car on the page, and I'm at a loss to figure out why it was removed?

Generations
(Originally posted here) — I just saw that you made some useful edits to Saab 9000, I have some issues with the current organization of the page and would like to run them by you before I do anything. Dividing the 9000 into "first" and "second" generations is not a really productive way to view the steady stream of changes which the 9000 underwent. To recap, the 9000 began with the original hatchback version (later called the 9000 CC, for "Combi Coupé") and was later complemented by the 9000 CD (sedan). The CD received a more sloped nose, which was later fitted to the CC as well. Leter yet, the redesigned 9000 CS hatchback appeared, with new rear and front designs. The CS front end was eventually fitted to the CD as well. Meanwhile, the 9000 CC remained available in some markets as a cheaper version.

The engines also kept changing, starting with the 2-litre Turbo and eventually including a 2.3-litre version and then the V6. The main issue I take is that these gradual changes have to undergo some severe contortions before they can be fitted into a basic "MkI" and "MkII" article structure, leading to some awkward compromises and half-truths. I welcome your inputs in advance of making some changes; I propose simply dividing the article into a 9000 CC, 9000 CD, and 9000 CS section - perhaps with a separate section on engine developments. Best,  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 06:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I was going to attempt the change, but it was getting late and I couldn't be bothered thinking so I just worked around the current layout. Your proposal sounds good, so long as we aren't going to the extremes of the Volvo 700 Series page which basically treats the 740, 760, and 780 as almost separate models. I propose that we just have a "general" article with smaller subsections describing each body style (as opposed the Volvo's entire sections). Either that, or we can emphasise the original five-door "CC" model by mentioning the history of it first and describing the car in details (powertrains, et cetera). Smaller sub-sections would then deal with and explain how the CS five-door and CD sedan differ. This is what I have started to attempt at Holden VE Commodore. Here, the more prominent sedan version is given precedence and the wagon section diverges from it (I plan to finish it off with the utility version as well).


 * I am happy to help with this article as the 9000 is easily my favourite model of Saab. That said, the selection palette of Saab vehicles is limited and the new 9-5 and 9-4X are compelling in design. The fact that Saab had to accommodate the Italian versions (Fiat Croma and Lancia Thema) with identical side profiles meant Saab could not use their trademark hockey stick C-pillar design which was at its worst during the 1980s. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Seconded in full. The various Volvo 700-series' did lead more different lives than did the 9000 versions, so the watertight distinctions make some sense there.  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 18:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've made a start, but much more work is needed. OSX (talk • contributions) 11:55, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Revert
Regarding this edit — The 9000 was introduced to Europe in 1984. This is a Swedish car, so please don't prioritise the US market with its model years (MY 1985).

Regarding this full revert — There was only ever one generation of 9000. Trying to mold the car into generations based on the CS with its slim front-end does not work. Please read what is said above... This looks more like a series of gradual changes than a black-and-white generation one and generation two. Rather than reverting fully, please take the liberty to fix up any resulting errors as they come. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)