Talk:Sacking out

It is unlikely that an article would link to Sacking out for the purpose of referring to "going to sleep", therefore, the mention of "Sack out" should be relegated to the bottom, if it is necessary at all. Sacking out is a technical term used within the Equine Industry, and it would appear that, thus far, all incoming links to this article are specifically for that.


 * I think it is appropriate to keep this little article separate. In fact, I think there should more of this kind, so that various techniques can be explained clearly without the emotional baggage that may accompany them in the context of other articles. Lil 18:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article should be kept separate. I wasn't aware of this article even being here, and it is very much a stub, but there is plenty to be said for expanding it. For one thing, some people are very much opposed to sacking out because they only know the bass-ackwards version that tries to terrify a horse and they naturally are opposed to such stupidity.


 * Xenophon had the basic idea of sacking out a very long time ago, so we could bring in mention of how he recommends that a groom or other trainer lead a green horse through challenging situations of increasing apparent threat starting out on the edges of the marketplace on a quiet day. The idea is to keep the horse calm even when somebody drops something or whatever little thing happens.


 * There is an American Indian connection with this technique too. Apparently they learned it on their own.


 * The main article on horse training is likely to get to be too long, and sacking out would then become a natural target for farming out, so we might as well keep it here and work on it. P0M 03:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, this article would have a natural connection to the training of horses for police use in crowd control, etc., and horses for military use (pulling artillery up steep muddy trails, etc.) because in such cases the horses have to stay calm even when the world is exploding around them. P0M 03:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The article contains little more than the horse training article does, it's barely a couple of paragraphs and really should be merged. Also, to avoid the animal rights types, it should be titled "desensitizing," as basically "sacking out" is simply the colloquial term used by western cowboy trainers and does carry with it the connotations of brutality that predated the "natural horsemanship" movement. (I've seen the old method in action, the reputation is deserved) I should have weighted in on this earlier. If it were to be expanded, that would be another thing altogether, but reight now, when the discussion exceeds the length of the article, why bother? Montanabw (talk) 01:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)