Talk:Safety car

F1 safety car
Does anyone have any statstics on how frequently there has been another crash within 2 laps of the safety car pulling in in Formula One? I'm convinced that the current system causes as many accidents as it prevents, and is mostly there to provide close racing and fixed TV times--MartinUK (talk) 08:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The point of a caution/yellow flag is to slow the field when a dangerous condition exists, allowing rescue personnel to enter the track, administer medical care and remove disabled vehicles or debris. Are you really arguing that this would be safer to do under a green flag? Surely you aren't disputing the need for cautions. The safety/pace car is there to force the leader to maintain a predetermined safe speed, which protects rescue & cleanup crews. Simishag (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of precisely one crash involving rescue workers who were already on track, 1994 in Japan, in wet conditions which eventually led to a red flag anyway. Locally waved yellows should be adequate for most situations of clearing debris, and the traditional red flag is safer and purer, as it doesn't artificially condense the field. Maybe there are times when it's a better option, but too many races have had their results completely changed by it.

I dont know where on the discussion page to put this but the 2010 Monaco Grand Prix didn't finish under the safety car. The safety car pitted at the end of the last lap and the race leader led the field across the line. Hence the confusion which saw Schumacher penalised.

It was racing conditions but when they modified the rules to allow overtaking from the first safety car line they didnt delete the rule saying that the SC coming in on the last lap required the drivers to take the flag in their set order.Nsmith1180 (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

2002 Formula 1 Brazilian Grand Prix
In the article, the section "2002 Formula 1 Brazilian Grand Prix" appears under "Controversies involving safety cars". Can someone please edit the article to clarify what the controversy was? As someone unfamiliar with Formula 1, I come to this article and read that section, and I don't get it. There was a collision during a race warm-up, but it doesn't seem like it has anything to do with the safety car. It doesn't even seem particularly controversial. — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 18:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right; it's nothing to do with the safety car and not particularly controversial - it was just a collision between a racecar and the Medical Car. I've retitled the section "Collisions with safety cars and other course cars". Another option would be to just delete the "2002 Formula 1 Brazilian Grand Prix" section altogether, as being outside the scope of the article, but that seems a shame (and I couldn't think of any other more relevant article into which to move it). DH85868993 (talk) 03:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair to me. Thanks! — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 05:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Merger of Formula 1 Safety Car
Is the operation of a Formula One safety car so specialised and different from other safety cars that it justifies it's own article? There is much duplication of content between the two articles, same text, same photos... is it really just an excuse to create a table of Formula 1 safety cars and safety car drivers that would otherwsie be deleted from the Safety car article? --Falcadore (talk) 03:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd merge the F1 version back into the wider article. Having a separate article serves no useful purpose. And the lists of who drove what are not really notable either. Only a very small audience will have any interest in that.
 * While I'm here, given that F1 only introduced a safety car in the early 1990s, wouldn't it make more sense to discuss NASCAR and Indycars first? 4u1e (talk) 06:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The only case I can remember derives from the era when the safety car was a lot slower than the race cars and there were concerns that the tyres cooled down too much. There were rumblings about this at the 1994 San Marino race where some advanced it as a reason why Senna's car was bottoming out. Otherwise, I think you'd scrape to make the safety car notable in itself. Britmax (talk) 09:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Formula 1 Safety Car edits
May I suggest that this disagreement be brought here? Edit comments aren't really a discussion. My opinion is that the inclusion of the lists is simply not appropriate here. Perhaps on a page related to F1. But even then, I don't think so. There's a long list of models of cars which is basically trivia. If relevant, the page for each race should note which model of safety car is used. There's another long list of races which either started or ended under caution, which is not even trivia. It's just part of the rules of the series. If it's important, it should be noted with a footnote in the table of season results. We have plenty of those already. Simishag (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I invite you to take part in the debate already under way at the Formula One Project talk page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One --Falcadore (talk) 00:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"As seen on the ____"
There are quite a few references on this article to certain pieces of media which appear, at least in my opinion, inappropriate for encyclopedic use. Specifically, the lines, "As shown in the F1 games" for the Virtual Safety Car, and, "As shown in the video" for Juan Pablo Montoya's NASCAR incident. Instead of using these methods, proper citations should be used instead. That way, this article can be clear of its "Citation Needed" tags. Uncle Opyright (talk) 00:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Formula E
I feel that the formula E section currently provides way too much detail about their virtual safety car version, while barely mentioning its actual safety car and procedures. I feel it should be rewritten.Tvx1 21:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry
I seem to have edited the whole page instead of just the Formula One section. I’ll fix this in the morning! Michieliosios (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, it's fixed. The article is back in original state, but now with my work added.