Talk:Safir (rocket)

Is "1" part of the type, or the flight number
My reading of several sources leads me to think Kavoshgar-1 is the first flight of a Kavoshgar rocket. This certainly seems to be the usage in Gulf Daily News coverage. (sdsds - talk) 01:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Corrections
The picture is of the Safir launcher, and NOT the missile that was launched and named Kavoshgar 1. The name of Iran's launcher is SAFIR, and not IRIL V - that stands for Islamic Republic of Iran Launch Vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.8.52.93 (talk) 07:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

2 stages
Observations of magnitudes of the upper stage and satellite are consistent with the launcher having two stages, not three. http://satobs.org/seesat/Feb-2009/0061.html 131.111.200.200 (talk) 10:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Kavoshgar
I've been studying details of the launches, and I think that the Safir and Kavoshgar are two distinct vehicles. I would say that the launch in 2007 used a Shahab-3, the launches in February and November 2008 used Kavoshgars, and the launches in August 2008 and February 2009 (the latter being Omid) used Safirs. Does anyone have any objection to splitting the article accordingly. -- G W … 10:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you are certain about, I fully agree in the splitting of this article. Tom Paine (talk) 14:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Kavoshgar 3
They talk about Kavoshgar 3 in the news, what is that compared to this rocket and what range does it have? 83.108.194.198 (talk) 12:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Did this rocket payload reached orbit? Tom Paine (talk) 14:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure, I think it was just a test. 83.108.194.198 (talk) 16:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Alleged 2012 launch failures
Regarding allegations of failed launches of the Safir in 2012, German space rocket expert Norbert Brugge suggests that the purported September 2012 launch failure is probably a failed suborbital flight of the Kavoshgar-5 rocket because the TEL seen in the satellite imagery near the Semnan launch site is too small to accomodate the Safir and is better-suited to accomodate Shahab-type sounding rockets (Brugge 2013). This possibility has yet to be confirmed by Iran, but seems plausible because North Korea lied about the outcome of its failed space launches by declaring them successful and Iran has not reported on any failed launches.

Brugge, Norbert. Safir-1A/B IRILV. N.p., n.d. Web. 21 July 2013. . 68.4.28.33 (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * Iran is not North Korea, I don't think it is reasonable to assume that both would cover up failures in the same way - the Soviet Union used to simply not announce failures, which is a better method because if you don't announce the launch it is much harder to prove it failed than if you claim it was successful - the latter can easily be disproved when nothing appears in orbit. With regards the analysis you have linked to, while an interesting read it is completely wrong. While evidence does exist which suggests a Kavoshgar failure in September 2012 - including photographs of the rocket on the launch pad - they show it on a different launch pad to the one where the blast damage was observed. Indeed, the monkey launches used a smaller, presumably solid-fuelled rocket, not the Shahab-derived rocket seen on the first test launch. -- W.  D.   Graham  20:45, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Aren't all rocket launches that reach a certain altitude announced to make sure nobody mistakes it for a ballistic missile aimed at somebody? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.220.24.150 (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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29 August 2019 pad accident
The 29 August pad explosion is reported to launch preparation accident citing US and Iranian officials should not be categorized as launch failure, and there is indication that payload was not integrated with vehicle when incident occurred. May be this accident should be separately mentioned? Any precedent similar to this where payload was safe and vehicle was lost but not during launch attempt? Ohsin 01:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * And another official comment from Iran.
 * "“The explosion happened at the launchpad and no satellite had yet been transferred to the launchpad,” Rabiei said. “It happened at a test site, not at the launch site.”"


 * Ohsin 18:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)