Talk:Saharanpur

old comments from 2007
The following have linkspam or promotional content, so they have been removed:


 * Yogiraj Padamshree Bharat Bhushan hails from Saharanpur. This link leads to his website
 * Gyankalash International School is proud of Saharanpur

These sites have some interesting information, as well, which has not been made part of this article (as it should be).Fconaway 06:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Anurag Jain's homepage on Saharanpur (includes some pics)

Relevant Web-sites and links
http://www.saharanpurcluster.org/index.htm It contains much useful information but also a small trade related info. I think it deseves a place here. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 00:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Following NGO website has info to support statements in Saharanpur article:

http://www.anuragjain.com/saharanpur.html It includes interesting links and pictures, of Saharanpur's hub Ghantaghar (clock-tower) and of Saharanpur Junction Railway Station. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 21:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, see Anurag Jain's homepage:

Unfortunately, both are non-functional now. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Economy etc
I have added a new subsection titled ‘Economy’. This is today’s scene, as I know personally. Will appreciate if a helping User provides references to published sources wherever needed. I know they are needed, and when I visit India again, I will try to do my bit; will also get some interesting pictures. User: Fconaway’s attention is specially invited. Thanks in advance for the requested assistance. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 23:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The above also applies to sub-section on 'Culture' and on 'Post-colonial history' Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 13:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

SAHARANPUR : Correction of spelling in URDU script
In the beginning of the article on SAHARANPUR, the name's spelling in Urdu is written wrongly. What is written now, reads as SHAHJAHANPUR! I do not know how to correct it. An expert in this field may kindly correct as early as possible this mistake in an encyclopedia of world fame. Please note that a city by name Shahjahanpur also exists but is far away from saharanpur. Thanks. Wiki dr mahmad 21:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

This correction has been made; thanks to User Faizhaider. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 05:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Woodcrafts
Wood carving is the pride of Saharanpur and it must have a paragraph here, with a suitable picture of a few carved items also, in my humble opinion. Actually a good para was there till recently! Whether to mention "Imam's ancestor" is open to discussion ofcourse. I am a frequent contributer to this article. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 22:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I want to tell you about Mr. Ghulam Murtaza whose name is mentioned in the book: Wood Handicraft: A study of its origin and development in Shaharanpur written by O.C. Handa and Madhu Jain. His name is mentioned on page no 59. The authors have also mentioned about the work done in St. Thomas Church. I am Ghulam Murtaza's grandson and I have got his original certificates and drawings of wooden wall panelling brass overlay work made by him in the church. The art work done in church of 20 X 30 feet also done by Ghulam Murtaza. Ghulam Murtaza had also made church Rare-dos in 1902. I want to share all these information with the authors of the book. Please contact me on arshadco@hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arshadaliahsan (talk • contribs) 21:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Important Issue (Woodcraft - Saharanpur)
This write up is an explanation about my contribution to an article on 'Saharanpur', which was cut short and edited. I admit that my input was not a piece of literature and it was over descriptive too but I eagerly wanted to focus on the issue of contribution of 'Wooden Handicrafts Industry - It's origin and development in Saharanpur', nearly half of population's lives revolve around this occupation and this industry gives a global identity to Saharanpur. I tried to contact the editors of this section but couldn't find any mail link, I however am thankful to Dr. Mahmad for mentioning at least few lines from my commentary yet this topic deserve a full paragraph as he rightly said. My point was to emphasize on 'Atta Hussain' ancestor of 'S. M. Imam M. Ikram', the first and the largest business house until recently. In 1850's Atta Hussain initiated and later developed this industry into an organized sector, as it is known today. A person whose contribution is so much for that place/industry, I think he is worthy of his name in the annals of its history too. Ironically very few data or sources are available on the Internet or print media regarding the above topic except a marvelous endeavor of Dr. O.C. Handa, a renowned author and expert in Himalayan region, who has published not less than 37 books. His book deals with subject directly. 'Wood Handicraft- A Study Of Its Origin And Development In Saharanpur' by O. C. Handa, Madhu Jain. ISBN: 8173871035 Beside this well researched book, the fact can also be verified from Govt. archives, Municipal records and other documents. I'll be happy to provide assistance in this exercise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.246.47.195 (talk) 08:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Reminder
This is further to my above discussion titled ‘Important Issue (Woodcraft - Saharanpur)’ wherein I had requested to the section editors for an elaborated mention of the ‘contributors’ of wooden handicraft industry in Saharanpur seemed to have gathered little attention. In any case I recommend the merger of ‘S.M.Imam M.Ikram’ however I request for a review on the issue.

The article on Saharanpur in Wikipedia as I have followed it, is quite comprehensive and accurate in terms of information, however now it appears to have focused more on geographical details and ancient history rather than the contents on current or recent times. I would appeal again to editors for being more accommodating and taking into account ‘local historical developments’ too. The name of ‘S.M.Imam M.Ikram’ is indispensable to the history of wooden handicrafts in Saharanpur.

To give my voice credibility I had provided the reference of a renowned author who is an expert on the subject and have profiled the history of the region in many exemplary books.

--Tauhid Alam 07:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tauhidalam (talk • contribs)

TA will you please leave on my talk page what you feel should come in this article; just the points, very briefly and the references if any. I may try to add what I find informative and leave for other users to review. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 06:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

'Historical' needs summarising (DONE!)
The 'historical' section needs review and drastic summarisation because:

1. It is too long now, talks of a vast region around the present city and covers the long period when the city did not exist.

2. It is based on one journalist's article in a commercial site, which does not give sources/references.

3. Most of this info should actually be in the articles on Saharanpur division and Saharanpur district.

4. It over shadows completely the contemporary Saharanpur city per say.

5. Its language also needs heavy copy editing.

I invite comments from learned Wikipedians on what best to be done. Thanks Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 06:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Completely agree. It seems to be straightaway copy-pasted from somewhere. I'll also volunteer in cleaning it up.--GDibyendu (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks GD and Ew. I had put this proposal in the discussion page of Saharanpur quite some time ago, but not many suggestions/objections have been sent by the Wikipedians. Now, I have copy edited this Historical section - taking matter from the present 'Historicals' in Saharanpur city and Muzaffarnagar articles - and placed it in the Saharanpur division article. It is most appropriate there in my humble opinion. Please do have a look over there for any improvements, especially to provide references please; your area of expertise! Thanks. :) Now, I propose to abbreviate Saharanpur's 'historical' and refer the reader to this expanded version in Saharanpur division. Hope you agree. I plan to proceed after a few more weeks.Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have abridged the 'historical' sub-section, as I felt appropriate. Some info is added to bring it uptodate. The pre-edited 'full version' is available in Saharanpur division and the interested reader is directed to it.Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Changes to the article
I have gone throgh the historical details in this article, and tried to verify the facts and added links to other Wikipedia articles. I agree with the gentleman that suggests that there is too much detail; perhaps this information would be better moved to the article on the Saharanpur District? It is essentially a history of that district. I still have not had the opportunity to add many external references, but may do so if the article is retained.

I cannot understand who the original writer is referring to when he mentions the Ayuddha Dynasty. I wonder if he means the Chalukyas (who are supposed to have originally hailed from Ayyodhya), but I don't think their power extended this far north. The only reference to the Ayuddha Dynasty, or to the three kings mentioned, that I can find on the internet seems to be in the small number of almost identical articles about Saharanpur or the history of the Jats - one of which appears to have been the source of the historical information in the present article. Energyworm (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * About the district related info: feel free to move it to district page.--GDibyendu (talk) 20:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Gujjar rule section
This is like a story without any reference.--Baba Ovian (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Now also some gujjar families are ruling saharanpur Dharmveer07 (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Official language
In this city 2 languages speakers 1 Hindi 2 Urdu So my request please add 2 laguages Shuaib alam Sua (talk) 13:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * You need to provide a reference to a published reliable source to support your request. See Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Sayyid references should not be in Saharanpur page
Mughal emperors Akbar and later Shah Jehan (1592–1666) bestowed the administrative pargana of Sarwat on Muslim Sayyid families. In 1633 one of them founded a city and named it and the surrounding region Muzaffarnagar, in honour of his father, Sayyid Muzaffar Ali Khan. The Sayyids ruled the area until the 1739 invasion by Nadir Shah. After his departure, anarchy prevailed across the entire doab with the region ruled or ravaged in succession by Rajputs, Tyagis, Brahmins, and Jats. Taking advantage of this anarchy, the Rohillas took control of the entire Trans-Gangetic region.

This article is talking about founded city of Muzaffarnagar and their rules, but no relevance to Saharanpur page. I suggest to please reconsider and eliminate this Schon.steels (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed Sujasbir Singh (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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