Talk:Sailor Uranus/Archive 1

Ten'ou vs. Tennou
Also, &#22825;&#29579; is a special case which is actually pronounced "Tenn&#333;", not the expected "Ten'&#333;". See eg. Tennoji. Jpatokal 02:52, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I thought that too, at first -- but her name is in fact &#12390;&#12435;&#12362;&#12358;. Or at least that's what the furigana read. (There's a whole paragraph explaining this on her character page, actually.) No, the reason it's particularly bad in her case is that Tenou is the most popular spelling. Which is, er, wrong. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 04:26, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, &#22825;&#29579; is always pronounced "tenn&#333;". How you render the furigana depends on whether you think "tenn&#333;" is a legitimate gikun, or if it's merely a corrupted pronounced form of a theoretically correct "ten'&#333;" (see prescriptive grammar).  I would go for the first option. Jpatokal 05:05, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * ... no, I do consider tenn&#333; a legitimate gikun for the word. But the name is consistently glossed Ten'&#333; in all sources (and a quick Google scan seems to indicate that it's not only true for this character). The only relevant hit Google gave for "&#12390;&#12435;&#12398;&#12358; &#12399;&#12427;&#12363;" (amongst, amusingly, a large number of references to Tennoji) was a dispute where, er, someone had got it wrong. Also, and highly relevantly, Ten'&#333;sei is listed in both Koujien and Sanseido for the planet. You might want to actually read the first bit of the article.
 * ... besides, just because it's pronounced "Arkansaw" doesn't mean it gets written that way. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 07:38, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)
 * I've read the article and understanding the reasoning of the second camp, but K&#333;jien is about as prescriptive and stick-in-the-mud as they get (did you know they list meanings in historical order, not by importance?) &mdash; and I find it amusing that The Authoritative Reference and a bunch of otaku discussing anime agree on this. I'm just afraid that people will now start mispronouncing her name as "ten'&#333;", which kind of defeats the point of nifty macroned Hepburn pronunciation guides, now doesn't it?  Your Arkansaw argument also doesn't cut much water, because the correct spelling is &#22825;&#29579;, and now you're basically saying that a pronunciation guide next to "Arkansas" should say are-can-zaz despite the fact that it's not actually pronounced that way. Jpatokal 15:36, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh, I see where we actually differ on this now. I don't typically see the Hepburn as being a pronunciation guide; as I've mentioned before, anyone who can see karaoke and read carry-okie is probably beyond the help of romaji in general. Rather, I consider it more useful as a gloss of the proper reading of the kanji in question. (Which is why I personally prefer wapuro-style, but eh.) Originally I thought that the kanji of her name were unglossed, or inconsistently glossed; the bit after the kanji then used to read "Ten'&#333; or Tenn&#333; Haruka". As for the bunch of otaku and The Authoritative Reference agreeing, well, one of them was citing the other -- guess which -- and ten gets you twenty the author had a copy of Koujien at her desk when she wrote that.


 * (some hours later) So it turns out this whole argument is moot: I found someone who had a copy of Sailor Moon Episode 92 and listened to it. It's pretty clearly not phonetically [n]; it's [&#628;] or [&#612;&#771;] or however you want to write that stupid thing that &#12435; defaults to. In other words, it's pronounced exactly as it's glossed, not like the &#22825;&#29579; in &#22825;&#29579;&#23546;. I suppose I shouldn't really be all that surprised. (Amusingly, this means that attempts to make it Tenn&#333; are thus prescriptivism! (Counterprescriptivism? Retroprescriptivism?)) --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 20:47, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)


 * Err, it will use the sound &#12435; in either case, the difference is whether it sounds like "n'o" (no more 'n' after the glottal stop) or "n'no" (n continues after stop). Jpatokal 07:27, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * (resetting indentation --Aponar Kestrel)

... nnnnnno. There's no glottal stop (that is, [&#660;]) in either Ten'&#333; or Tenn&#333;. Disregarding the &#333;, there isn't even a phonemic lengthener in either one. (Although there is a phonetic lengthener in Tenn&#333;.) &#12435; isn't a sound; it's a kana, a grapheme, a mora, and a phoneme. It's subject to regular assimilation rules. See especially Japanese language.

Ten'&#333; is phonetically /t&#603;n&#809;o&#720;/ and phonemically [t&#603;&#612;&#771;o&#720;]. Contrariwise, Tenn&#333; is phonetically /t&#603;n&#809;no&#720;/ and phonemically [t&#603;n&#720;o&#720;]. In other words, there isn't an [n] in Ten'&#333; at all, nor is there an [&#612;&#771;] in Tenn&#333;.

(Incidentally, this comes out ugly almost to the point of unreadability on my system. I wish I could at least use LaTeX for IPA... the closest I can get is $$/ t \varepsilon \dot{n} o : /$$ and $$[ t \varepsilon \tilde{\gamma} o:]$$, which isn't at all good enough.)

Additional references: --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 02:59, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC) (I can . Hmm. No.)
 * Hiragana for /N/, /Q/, and /H/
 * Grammar - The Japanese Syllabary (pronunciation)

"Amara" in the main article should be changed. It was done by 71.1.200.88 and is wrong by Wikipedia standards of naming. 70.21.109.29 has removed all references to homosexuality. The Sailor Neptune article has the same problem.

Could someone please revert this? I'm not up to it right now. Ken Arromdee 06:58, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Minako?
Isn't it Makoto who showed attraction to Haruka (or at least something which was interpreted as attraction), not Minako? Ken Arromdee 02:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I second this based on what I've read online, but I haven't seen that part of the series myself.

Well, both Minako and  Usagi were attracted to  Haruka when they thought she was male rather than female, but  Mako-chan developed a (temporary) crush on her in the episode "Cold-hearted Uranus? Makoto in Trouble". Sergeant Snopake 16:25, 09/03/06

Leader of the outer senshi
"Haruka and Minako are like leaders to their own team of senshi; both inner and outer. Both have blonde-ish hair color and they also love gym. This can explain Mina's love and passion for volleyball and Haruka's love for track and run."

Haruka is not the leader of the outer senshi, is she? I thought it was Pluto or Saturn.

Apperently, I read that Pluto is the leader of the outer senshi, as she is supposed to have said so in episode 171, though I have not got this far in the the series yet. however, in the manga, Minako really is leader of the four the senshi that protect the princess, or so i've read here: http://www.rahul.net/arromdee/sm.faq.4 Sergeant Snopake 17:10, 15/03/06

Haruka's sexuality
On Michiru's page, it says, for her sexual orientation: Homosexual or bisexual (debatable). However, it was she who was in love with Haruka first (watch episode: "The Bond of Destiny! The Distant Days Of Uranus" for details), and yes, Haruka is in love with Michiru now, but we don't know what her orientation was before she met Michiru. I have edited as such.". Sergeant Snopake 12:35, 09/03/06


 * If she flirts with girls now, chances are she always has flirted with girls in the past. Therefore, asides from the fact that she is now in love with Michiru, we can safely assume that Haruka is gay. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.212.155.211 (talk • contribs).


 * We can't make that kind of assumptions, it is original research, which Wikipedia does not accept. -- ReyBrujo 16:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Naoko Takeuchi has said Haruka and Michiru are homosexual. Not bisexual, homosexual.  There is no debate. Danny Lilithborne 20:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

nuptune said in sailor moon sailor stars amime that she dont "trust men" and famous men Sailor cuteness 16:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Foreign names really needed?
Please discuss here whether to include foreign names when they do not match the english name. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 03:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Princesses Article
Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -Masamage 20:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Consistency
This article is being edited for consistency with the Ami Mizuno, Rei Hino, Makoto Kino, and Minako Aino articles, as part of the new WikiProject, and as discussed in Talk:Sailor Moon. Stay tuned! --Masamage 18:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Mostly done, as are Michiru Kaioh and Setsuna Meioh. I'm still planning on rewriting the 'Profile' and 'Variations' sections, but will take something of a break first.


 * The Outer Senshi profiles really need new lead images. If you check out the Inners bios, they all match; we're looking for a set with that kind of consistancy and quality, if it's at all possible. Please look around! --Masamage 19:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)