Talk:Saint-Louis, Haut-Rhin

War edit with the German based IP 78.55.50.76
This German based IP contributor is new to wiki, and he is focused to add the word German, or a German translation of Alsatian names even in articles where a German translation is not relevant. The town was named in honour of the French King Louis XIV in 1684. In this particular case, there is no reason to add a plain German translation in an English article. Instead of trying to reach a concensus, he prefers attacking me on my talk page, saying that I am an "anti German" person. If I was this kind of person I would try to erase all the German translation of Alsatian names on all Wikipedia articles. I just did it on the particular case for historical reasons. Adding a systematic German translation has no justification. --Gabriel HM (talk) 14:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The name "St. Ludwig" was the official German one until 1918. Numerous maps and documents prove this. Against Gabriel HM, French user's, claim that the town was named after the French king Louis XIV, the town was actually named after Ludwig IX, a catholic saint. Churches named after him can also be found in Germany. It is consensus in WP that relevant historic names have to be stated in the lead -> WP:Places I do not see any space of argumentation against the use of a German name in a until recently German speaking region.--78.55.50.76 (talk) 15:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh please, at least bring pertinent and real information, the city was named in 1684 in honour of the French King Louis XIV and its ancestor Saint Louis, see the city website: , "Les trois lys des armoiries des Rois de France ornent son blason car le bourg fut créé et baptisé de son nom par Louis XIV en 1684, en se rattachant au patronage du roi Saint-Louis, selon le souhait de ses habitants." Even the armoiries of the town are showing the Lys flowers. Sankt Ludwig was a plain translation during 1871-1918 under German administration. Should we add a French names to all the cities and towns in Germany that have been under French administration? What is the pertinent information brought by a plain translation, is it an article about a city, or an English/German dictionary? The region was Germanic speaking with various dialects, if we want to be right, the Alsacian name will have more pertinence that the German translation. At least if you want to make your point bring real sources and correct information.--Gabriel HM (talk) 15:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Saint Louis was a French King before being a Saint, and is considered to be the father of the French monarchs like Louis XIV. So now we do agree, I considered that you had bad sources, since we both agree that if it is named after a French it should just stay in French your quote: "The town of Fort-Louis for example was named after the king but did not get a "German" name. See the difference" I see :) so we do agree now....  I consider the subject closed, since you do agree with me, you just had bad sources...--Gabriel HM (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Germanic is not a language. Louis XIV was not a saint, Louis IX was. It is even written in you link that the named the town after the king Saint-Louis, which is Louis IX or Ludwig in German, a catholic saint. There are numerous churches in the whole German speaking area named after him. The reason why it is relevant is that the town was German speaking, as I already mentioned. --78.55.50.76 (talk) 15:51, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I do not get your point. What do we agree with? And what sources are you speaking about?--78.55.50.76 (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC) As we agree, I put the German name back.--78.55.50.76 (talk) 15:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok if you do so I wil report you and it will probably lead to a blockade. You are indeed showing that you are not motivated by the facts. You can't provide wrong sources, assert one thing that goes into my point of view and then go the other way. I provided you to right sources, you even expressed that if the city was named after a French King it would stay in English and French. do you want to be discredited even by yourself?--Gabriel HM (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I seriously do not understand you arguments anymore. Again, I do not understand what is so difficult to understand: the town was named after a catholic saint: Louis/Ludwig. This is clearly stated in the link you posted. I thought we agree. --78.55.50.76 (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Pease don't play the fool. Or at least read the article if you don't want to read my explanation. Saint Louis was a French King before being a Saint. I gave you the links and the quotes from the articles, and the Saint Louis town hall website. You even agreed that if it was named after a French King like in your example of Fort Sai r Louis it should be just kept in English and French. I'm now tired to argue with someone that obviously does not take the time to read the sources and explanation given on the talk page.--Gabriel HM (talk) 16:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you are playing the fool. The town is named after a saint, Louis/Ludwig. This is even mentioned in your sources. That he was king of France does not change anything. I took Fort Saint-Louis as an example, because the fort was named after Louis the sun king. It never had a different German name in contrast to St. Louis/St. Ludwig. So, please stop putting words in my mouth.--78.55.50.76 (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ok please stop, this is ludicrous. You are full on contradiction, and now it not funny anymore. You can't take an exemple to illustrate your acting, and then say that is not a good exemple once I demonstrated that you were wrong. --Gabriel HM (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

History and name
For the record I've added a history section which concurs with Gabriel HM's understanding of the origin of the name. However, I've also restored the German name in the lede as it is normal to include alternative names in other languages where there is a regional and/or historical connexion which in this case there is. Bermicourt (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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