Talk:Saint Alban

Year
Why not Nero in c.66 CE? Bede says when the cruel emperors "first"... wasn't Nero the first emperor to overtly persecute Christians?

" However, modern scholars now believe that the decree may have been given by Decius in circa 254 " Decius died in 251, so how modern is this? A source is always welcome. Perhaps the editor meant hagiography, not history. Wetman 12:10, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Feast Day
I'm not a regular editor on this article, so I may leave this for someone else to correct, but the article lists two (2) different Feast Days. The block, or insert, at the beginning states it is "March 20." Later in the article it states it is June 22. In all my research, the only date that I can find is June 22. It is June 22 in the various Catholic Saints calendars that I find on the internet, and it is June 22 in the Anglican Church calendar. Further, it is listed as June 22 in John J. Delaney's "Dictionary of Saints," of which I have a copy on my bookshelf. I am a Past Master and Secretary of a Masonic Lodge named "St. Alban's Lodge," and every other St. Alban's Lodge that I know of (there are about 2 dozen worldwide) considers June 22 as his Feast Day. Who came up with March 20??? PGNormand 19:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm getting confused. Some websites claim that Alban's feast day is June 22, while others, like this freezing persistent website, say it is June 20.  Which date is correct? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The original day is June 22, and that seems still to be followed by Anglicans, and it is the date for which his name is read as part of the Catholic Roman Martyrology. However, the Roman Catholics shift feast days to avoid conflicts.  The Roman Calendars for England and Wales have the feast day on June 20, presumably to leave June 22 for Thomas More and John Fisher, both executed by Henry VIII in 1535 for standing against his separation of the Church of England from Rome.  I'll try to correct the article with references to both in a few days when I have time.  Esobocinski (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Restoring to 2 Nov 2004 version
Slightly mystified as to why this was overwritten with the content of St Albans Cathedral by User:62.252.64.13 on 18th December. I've reverted it now, but can't think why this would have happened. There is some overlap between this article and the England's first Christian martyr section of St Albans Cathedral, but there were obviously more details here which were lost in the above overwriting, which I've just restored. Oh well. - MykReeve 01:04, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image
I have doubts as to whether Image:StAlban.jpg is actually a portrait of this St. Alban. This seems to be a Polish icon, and the cult of St. Alban was always localized to England (and Normandy). The Saint portrayed here is not shown as a martyr or beheaded, which is the standard representation of St. Alban. Dsmdgold 15:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Veneration in the Cath. Church
The article states that he is no longer listed in the Roman Catholic calendar. My question: In which calender was he listed and is not listed anymore? I doubt that he ever was listed in the universal calendar. Doesn't the catholic church in England venerate him? --Benedikt 15:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Date of death
Is it correct to put him in the category of AD304 deaths, when 304 is only one of three possible dates given for his death? My own view is that this should be a non-cat. Legis 09:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a joke
The section 'Cult of Saint Alban' sounds a little like a bad joke. executioner was so impressed with Alban's faith that he also converted... Another executioner was quickly found (whose eyes dropped out of his head when he did the deed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.122.153 (talk) 06:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

First Christian Martyr
I think its important to point out that he was the first recorded Christian British Martyr, because it would be very hard to verify whether he were the first British martyr (people have been living there for hundreds of thousands of years, I seriously doubt that he was the first person EVER who was martyred for his religious beliefs). His martyrdom was also very sensational, but there is no way to verify that no-one else was ever killed for their Christian faith before him, especiallly since many of the sources make mention of the fact that all Christians were suffering persecution at the time. Also, as the previous edit pointed out, Alban was a Britishmartyr, not and English martyr (England didn't exist) and not a "United Kingdom" martyr (also didn't exist yet). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florimell1919 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Sticking Closer to the Sources/adding citations
I'm combing through the article again just to update previous edits and make sure they reflect more carefully the terminology of the main sources of the story (mainly Bede here, because his account is the fullest and seems to have the most authority, but also adding in conflicting information from other sources where applicable. I didn't realize until I re-read it that some of the information from Bede had been misrepresented and was leading to misunderstanding). If Anyone can get hold of some of the more obscure sources (I just couldn't find them in English) that would be wonderful. I've also heard third hand that there is this theory floating about that Alban was some sort of upper-class military leader, and that is why his martyrdom is so significant, or at least remembered. Does anyone have more information regarding that? I didn't add it in because I couldn't find any original sources of scholarship. Lastly, I would like to add in citations from the John Morris article mentioned in "Dating Controversy" but am unable to find the article online. Any leads? Florimell1919 (talk) 03:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Popular culture
St. Alban is the parish of which fictional Rev. Clare Fergusson is rector in Julia Spencer-Fleming's mystery series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:3BCD:D200:BC55:6D7:A70D:4E75 (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Disputed historicity
Since this is not the universal view of historians, putting it at the beginning of the article gives it undue weight. I have placed the section lower down, with the dating and location controversies. Pelarmian (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * By the way, this section is difficult to follow and needs some copy editing by someone familiar with the sources. Pelarmian (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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