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Description of the Summer
Seriously, there was written "cool to moderately warm" and "daytime temperatures usually do not exceed 25 °C (77 °F)", which is simply not true. I've changed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.8.24.2 (talk) 09:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Random Old stuff
We have a comedian saying Saint John is larger than Toronto and inflating our population into the millions - I deleted it so that an accurate description can be restored. AC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.123.154 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

population
The population of Saint John,NB is 74,126 people uptown but the Metropolitan area population is 126,293 people over the past years this city has changed and grow in somany different ways this is one of them.

Someone seems to have played with the population figure again: "According to a mid-2005 survey, there were 2 people residing in the Greater Saint John area, of whom 48.1% were male and 51.9% were female. " I'll let the usual moderators of this page fix this. Woodson (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Extra notes
I moved these from under footnotes:

"According to Alan Rayburn's 'Geographical Names of New Brunswick', which was published by the Canadian Permanent Committee on Geographical Names, the county is spelled in its entirety, while the river is "commonly abbreviated." However, according to the 'Gazetteer of Canada', both the river and the county are spelled in their entirety.  Additionally, in the Territorial Division Act (http://www.gnb.ca/acts/acts/t-03.htm), the county is spelled in its entirety.

Communications New Brunswick follows the Canadian Press format, which is to spell out the names of the city, harbour and county, and abbreviate the name of the river.

So while not definitive, it appears that St. John River and Saint John River are both correct (with the nod going to St. John River)."

While interesting, they don't go there. Could be in article maybe, or reconstituted as an actual footnote, not just stuck in an area that happens to also have footnotes. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Images of St. John
How did they get those photos of St. John? If you have ever been to St. John, it is one of the most visually boring places along with the rest of New Brunswick in the Western Hemisphere (in contrast to the rest of the Maritime Provinces) if not the world. The city itself is literally just a giant shopping mall. Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It is actually a pretty nice place, with distinct culture. Fred. and Monct. are extended malls/sprawl. St John's being Can's oldest city has a respectable downtown.  It is dominted by Irving Oil, with plants all around it, and has been hit by suburban blight, for sure, but it is still NB's best city, IMHO. The old market is pretty cool.--John Bessa (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Renaming of Allison Grounds to honour Mabel Peters
Jul 16/09 - Article in the Saint John Telegraph Journal with regards to the renaming of the first playground in Canada, being renamed to honour the women who travelled across Canada and US to encourage playgrounds. This is noted under "Notable Firsts".

The article was posted today online at: http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/730395 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsnoik (talk • contribs) 11:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Metropolitan area
We need to limit the article to the city limits. We really need a higher level article for the metro area. Otherwise, we run the risk of violating WP:TOPIC. Temporarily, at least, we can have some metro stuff in here until we can set up a higher-level article. But we need to break those out clearly so the reader (and editors!) know which is which. Student7 (talk) 13:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this, an article should be made for Greater Saint John similar to Greater Moncton and Greater Shediac. I will probably get around to doing it in a few months if no one else starts it beforehand as this article is getting quite large. Also a History of Saint John similar to History of Moncton would also help to solve the large article (Slow Loading) that this page is becoming.Hogie75 09:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Saint John
Saint John is actually titled Saint john because the river was discovered on Saint John the Baptist day by Samuel de Champlain. we are not called Saint just to easily be distinguished from Newfoundland's St John's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.166.78.186 (talk) 11:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the city was called St. John up until the 1920s when they decided to change the first part from "St." to "Saint" to avoid confusion with St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador. Mister Slypere (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

French name for Saint John
Please stop changing the French name of Saint John to Saint Jean. Saint Jean is in Quebec. The official French name of Saint John is Ville de Saint John. A city's name is proper like a person's name. When my friend Pierre visits from Montreal, we call him Pierre, not Peter, because Pierre is his name. The only officially translatable municipality in NB is Grand Sault/Grand Falls. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.166.42.114 (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It is proper to translate the county, river, bridge, and harbour to Saint Jean. But not the city according to protocol. Thee17 (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Some pictures
I have no clue what the neighborhoods are called.



I am hoping for comments here, possibly to update the page graphically.--John Bessa (talk) 19:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Canada's Most Irish city references
Regarding the reference for "Canada's Most Irish city" there is, and has been for many years, a billboard shaped like a shamrock in the city's downtown core (bottom of King Street) that makes this claim ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/iflynn/3399100933/ ) and that counts down the days to Saint Patrick's day. It's published in various tourist pamphlets ( http://www.tourismsaintjohn.com/contentfiles/file/Irish.pdf ) and the city's website ( http://www.cityofsaintjohn.com/Historic-sights.html ) There may be a way to verify this (if it is empirically true) through a comparison of the ethnic origin percentages for Canadian cities from census data, but I don't know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.16.26.111 (talk) 02:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Comments : Ive Created a Saint John Council and Mel Norton Page i have it linked to this page if someone that knows what there doing could edit it feel free i really suck at this but we have yet to have a current mayor with a page so i thought id start it thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintjohner506 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Language
There should be a sub-section of the language background of city residents. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 18:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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What is history? What is not?
The History of Saint John, New Brunswick contains the probably forked history from here. It should be, but isn't summarized here. When I tried to insert one important item, the Great Fire, it was reverted with the comment that all history should be in History of St. John. This thought is incorrect. A summary should be performed, either all together (I don't have time) or piecemeal.

What is left is a shameless WP:PEACOCK subsection of "firsts" which hardly tells a person anything about St John's actual history. In some cases these incorrectly contained the names of WP:NN people, and I deleted them. Also deleted was at least one notable person, whose "first" had nothing to do with St John. He just happened to be born there (non-WP:TOPIC). The first Ms Canada was WP:NN because it's the only thing she ever did, I suppose. Again, nothing to do with St. John. She just happened to be born here. Student7 (talk) 23:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Agree. The history should be a summary of History of Saint John, New Brunswick and the 'shameless WP:PEACOCK subsection of "firsts"' should be deleted and/or have its items moved elsewhere. Furthermore, the forked history article needs an overhaul it has too much detail that is already duplicated and triplicated in the dozens of articles about the military history of the Maritimes. --Cornellier (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Social movement unionism
An editor has twice added a long paragraph about "social movement unionism", describing how port workers in Saint John protested against sending heavy water to Argentina. The source cited was this one, and seems to be the only source available regarding this incident. The incident does not appear notable enough for inclusion. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:54, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

The information from this organization is reliable and based on research of primary sources. I'm neutral on the information being notable enough for inclusion. Thee17 (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

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Infobox
Have already removed some info...but still the infobox is a huge scrolling nightmare...perhaps move roads to body??- Moxy 🍁 22:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose", per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Brunswick Black History Society
This is listed under museums with a link to https://www.nbblackhistorysociety.org/ but I'm not sure this is a museum, but rather a society. --Cornellier (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Article Improvements
Hey there, I’ve noticed quite a few improvements that could be made to the article.
 * Firstly, the “History” section doesn’t feel long enough and doesn’t encapsulate enough of Saint John’s history. Although there is a separate article, I feel like more could still be done to create a good summary of the city’s history.
 * Architecture subsection should have actual description about Saint John’s architecture, instead of a list of some buildings in the city.
 * Parks and nature subsection, I just created this as there previously was nothing regarding this, but more needs to be added.
 * Neighborhood subsection should have more description relating to the neighborhoods and would be better in prose form.
 * Demographics section, I rewrote the first paragraph and included more relevant information about Saint John’s demographics, but a lot more can still be done.
 * Municipal Government section should be either expanded or removed.
 * Media section needs more examples and descriptions of Saint John’s Printing, Television and Radio media. I plan to add all three of those as topics.

Various other improvements will definitely have to be made, but these are just a few I can list off the top of my head. B3251 (talk) 21:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)