Talk:Saint Regis University

Removal (Aug 2004)
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 * Saint Regis University is based in Liberia and is accredited by the Liberian Government, nota bene National Commission of Higher Education. St. Regis University was originally chartered January 10, 1984, Created by Decree of the People's Redemption Council Government of Liberia, as a private school. In 1998, St. Regis University added distance education programs as a way to better serve students, offering affordable programs without sacrificing quality, and began a four year accreditation process.


 * On August 28, 2002, St. Regis University completed all accreditation requirements and received formal recognition by the Higher Education Commission of the Education Ministry of Liberia as a legal, valid and authentic university, operating under the authority and in conformity with all current laws and regulations ruling educational competency certification of the Republic of Liberia. The Higher Education Commission of the Education Ministry of Liberia is solely responsible for granting recognition to post-secondary education institutions in Liberia including St. Regis University, University of Liberia and Cuttington University College.


 * The Republic of Liberia is one of the earliest United Nations Educational Organization UNESCO Higher Education Partners, and a historical American Colony. St. Regis University is accredited as a degree-awarding post-secondary institution of higher education in the form of a university by the National Commission on Higher Education, the Higher Education accrediting authority of the Ministry of Education in the Government of Liberia


 * The school grants degrees based on classes and "vocational experiences" and avoids redundant education.


 * Many critics claim the latter as irregular as this is different from their traditional opinion and education.

Cites, please, for these assertions? How is this consistent with this school not appearing on the UNESCO list of universities? -- Karada 12:19, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Removal (Feb 2005)
To the user or users that keep erasing the expanded article.

Please stop this. Wikipedia policy is to keep things real. If you do not agree with something do not delete it, but rather expand on it. All pertinent information should be allowed.

10:14, 28 February 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.26.171 (talk • contribs)

Ministry in Liberia
The Ministry in Liberia stated that: No officials from Georgia Professional Standards had contacted the Commission off higher Education regarding these most serious allegations. The statements made by Mr Toth are libelous and defamatory and insulting to the Republic of Liberia and our Education Ministry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.60.42 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 10 May 2006


 * Please stop inserting the above sentences in the article unless you can 1) provide a citation and 2) word them with a neutral POV. And signing your comments on the talk page would be a good idea. BuckRose 20:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparent Vandalism
Consejero has apparently reapplyed what I consider mild vandalism to the article. Consejero, if that was not your intent please discuss your changes here and get some kind of consensus before making changes. Complaints or suggestions as to what should be in the article belong on this talk page not the article itself. Thanks, Bill Huffman 07:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Consejero, I reverted your last edit because there's already a link to Diploma Mill and an explanation of what a diploma mill actually is doesn't belong in the section of other references. Bill Huffman 20:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Need source(s) for "connected institutions"
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Connected institutions

 * The following are defunct "schools" run by the Regis operators

I also did not find suitable support for this list in the archive.org version of the old ODA website. That lists only some of these "schools."
 * Al Qasim University (Pakistan)
 * All Saints American University (Liberia)
 * Bangalore Inst of Science, Tech. and Mgt (India)
 * Blackstone University
 * Capital American University (Liberia)
 * Center College of Executive & Professional Development (India)
 * Colony University (Liberia)
 * InTech University (Liberia)
 * James Monroe University (Liberia, operated from Washington, Idaho and Arizona)
 * Miranda International University (Tennessee, Washington, and Seborga, Italy)
 * Nation State University
 * North United University
 * Panama Canal University
 * Port Rhode University
 * Robertstown University (Liberia, operated from Washington state, Idaho and Arizona.)
 * St. Lourdes University
 * St. Renoir University
 * Trinity Christian School
 * Synergystics (ODA notes it "may" be connected)
 * University College for Advanced Studies (India)
 * Van Ives University
 * West Coast University (Panama, Western Australia, UK)

Is there another source?--orlady 00:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

As it happens, I find that many of these schools appear individually on state lists, such as the Oregon list and the Texas list, with notes indicating the St. Regis connection. The Texas list has Al Qasim, All Saints American University, American Capital University (not listed above), Americana U (not listed above), Bangalore Inst, Blackstone, Capital American, Center College of Executive & Professional Development, Colony, Hampton Bay (not listed above), Hartland (not listed above), InTech, James Monroe (widely documented on the web), Miranda, Nation State, New Manhattan University (not listed above), North United University, Panama Canal, Port Rhode, Robertstown (widely documented on teh web), St. Lourdes, Stanley State (not listed above), Synergystics, University College for Advanced Studies, Van Ives, and West Coast.--orlady 03:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Italicized portion added for clarification.--orlady 15:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The best way to track whether the same person owns multiple diploma mills is to look at the person that registered the web address or sometimes multiple diploma mills will use the exact same web server. The problem with such relationships though is that once the websites are closed there's usually very little evidence available to be able to track down the source. Fake school websites can be put up in a day or two and these academic frauds don't care about copyrights and will sometimes copy the website of another competing diploma mill or even real school. Of course the St Regis family of bogus schools is a special case in that there might be court documents released some day with the results of an investigation. Regards, Bill Huffman 14:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

As we are all aware, a further issue with using web addresses, similarity of websites, etc., to track down ownership of diploma mills is that it's original research. In order to list institutions as "connected", I think Wikipedia needs to be able to point to a document where somebody else (such as the state of Oregon or the state of Texas) says that these institutions are connected. As you say, a court document would be an excellent source. :-) --orlady 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've cleaned up the list, as based on the Maine list. TallMagic (talk) 17:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Compiling a list from multiple sources is okay, but encyclopedic only if the list is reasonably short and correct (otherwise, too much listing). It makes sense if more than one source is combined to demand that list entries are individually cited, particularly on a contentious issue.  See, e.g. the List of unrecognized tribes article.  Compiling a list based on web address ownership is indeed original research.  Wikidemon (talk) 19:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

NYT published an excellent summary
I don't have time today to work it in, but I encourage editors to use this source article which covers much of these crooks activities and the resulting law suit. NY Times --Bobak (talk) 16:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

BBC INvestigation
Names and details of some of the thousands of British citizens who subscribed to this fraud are apparently available from the BBC sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.79.187 (talk) 11:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't link directly to websites that impugn living people - that's a WP:BLP / WP:EL issue. If the publication of these lists is itself a notable event then we can report that it has been done.  People will just have to take the extra step of using google if they want to find them.Wikidemon (talk) 19:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Repeated attempts to delete the list of probable buyers published by the Spokesman Review
I've noticed that there are repeated attempts by some visitors to delete the link to the list of probable St. Regis customers that was published by the Spokane Spokesman Review. This will need to be watched! G-gollin (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed! However, I do question whether that should be there.  It could be considered a WP:BLP violation because it outs a number of folks who took part in the scheme by purchasing a degree.Wikidemon (talk) 05:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

This seems to be a complicated issue in terms of policies. I would suggest that advice be requested from an appropriate W authority. Afterwriting (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The Spokesman Review article warning "Buyers of bogus degrees named" is a perfectly notable and wonderful article. I see absolutely no conflict with wp:BLP. It's simply an article that warns people that might be tempted to buy bogus degrees that they may be exposed should they decide on such a path. I don't see any conflict with wp:BLP. "This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia articles can affect real people's lives. This gives us an ethical and legal responsibility. Biographical material must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality and avoiding original research." It could be reasonably argued that it would be different if we tried to copy the list into Wikipedia. External articles written by reliable sources do NOT have to follow Wikipedia policies. Referencing an external article that doesn't follow Wikpedia policies does not violate Wikpedia policies in my view but I'm more than willing to consider such a conclusion should anyone present such an argument. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

St. Regis University was supposed to be in Liberia
I'm not sure what the purpose of the categories are. So, I'm not sure which way is better but St. Regis University was supposed to be in Liberia not the USA. Why was a category added saying USA? Zugman (talk) 21:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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