Talk:Saint Sarah

Removing Reference 3
Ok so I treied to dig up any information I could here in India. As far as I can tell, there is a pretty good chance that this in fact the Indian Goddess Kali. There are one too many coincidences IMO to be accepted. Plus the article citied is clearly not of an academic work, nor does it support current findings via genetic testing. Therefore the sentence and the reference goes. "However, the Identification of Sarah with Kali has also been criticized as a stretch as has been the identification of Isha Krishna "Jesus Christ" with "Lord Krishna".[3]"

Inconsistent
Reference No 3 is totally biased if not inaccurate. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_%28people%29 - Roma confirmed as originating from the Indian Sub-continent Via Genetic testing. Furthermore, there can be considered given this fact that there is a close correlation between the Indian Kali and Kali - Sara. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.26.30 (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

--Kalitara10 (talk) 09:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

The last changes to these pages are cut and paste theft from http://frenchpropertydigest.com/july2001/leisure-4.html and how do I change them back? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by SarahSmiles (talk • contribs)

Don't for get Tony Gatlaf's Latcho Drom movie., if that's how you spell it. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.99.105 (talk • contribs) Is the plural of Mary really Maries? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.5.116 (talk • contribs)

Yes genetic testing is irrefutable proof of the Roma originating from India but you only have to go to Rajahstan and if you are of Roma descent you dont need a scientist to tell you. visit some of the smaller villages in the Thar desert and it is there in every face, even some customs and costumes prevail in Eastern Europe and you feel it as do they. (kalitara10)

Durga with a black face?
Durga is not usually represented with a black face as the article says - she is always portrayed as very fair-skinned. I think the person being quoted meant Kali...--Grammatical error 05:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Sarasvati
Sarasvati which has her name from Sanskrit Sar meaning 'run, flow' & Saras meaning 'pond, pool'. It would definetely give posiblitiy that Saint Sara amongst the Catholics has a root from Hindu descending Roma converting to Christianity.

Sarasvati also has a connection with the Paramara Rajput clan. Rajputs are also believed to be a possible Indian source of the Roma prior to leaving shortly after 1000ad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 22:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Conflation
Sara was the name of the (Egyptian) servant of the Maries, who had tarvelled with them from Palestine. The girl from the shore who taunted the saints on their arrival was converted and on baptism took the name of Sara, to indicate that she was worthy only to serve the saints, not to live alongside them. Over time the two Saras became conflated into the one saintly figure. --HenriLobineau 11:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't Palestine then, Palestine was part of the Rom Province of Syria-Palistria, The biblical accounts happened in Judah/Judea which then became Roman Iudea. --Tomtom9041 17:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Feast Day of Saint Sarah
Having read in the second paragraph of the article that "Saint Sarah's feast day is 19th August", and not having previously heard of her, I searched for "Saint Sarah" in the online Catholic Encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org, and came up with nothing. I then went to www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/, which lists the feast days of all saints, major and minor, and which lists 33 saints as having an August 19th feast day. But Sarah is not among them. I then checked the rest of August and found no feast day for Saint Sarah. Next, I checked the "Calendar of Saints" article on Wikipedia itself and followed on to the "List of Saints" (also on Wikipedia). This lists saints by Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches. There is a St. Sarah the Martyr, who died in about 304 CE in Antioch, but she is clearly not the Saint Sarah of this article. The list shows no other Sarahs. From this research, I have to conclude that the article in question is suspect at least as to the feast day, and perhaps as to the canonization or other recognition of this Sarah as a saint. FAMiniter 03:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find any official listing of her feast date whatsoever, although I have found other references to her being a Roma saint, specifically referring to Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, which must be the same Sarah. Many of these sites specifically recognise that she was not formally made a saint by the Catholic Church, which means she is really only recognised as a saint by the gipsies. The August 19 feast date is of a different Sarah, specifically the wife of Abraham (vide: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saints1k.htm). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.155.251 (talk) 03:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

"St. Sarah" is actually a fictional saint, made up by the Romany people. They emigrated to Europe from India, & took along their traditional beliefs in a god & goddess. The goddess whom they worshipped were Saraswati & Kali, & since they were moving around in a Christian continent, they downgraded her to a saint, which they had made up.--Splashen (talk) 18:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Sara
19 August is the feast day of Sara the Wife of the Patriarch Abraham. http://saints.sqpn.com/saints1k.htm Wfgh66 (talk) 10:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Links unrelated to this Sarah:


 * 1) http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm73.htm
 * 2) http://www.copticchurch.net/synaxarium/8_25.html
 * 3) http://www.stathanasius.miss.on.coptorthodox.ca/Saints_Stories/St_Sarah_Nun.htm

Str1977 (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Muslim Roma
How was Sara e Kali venerated by Roma in Muslim countries?--Splashen (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Genetics
Is the mitochondrial haplotype of Saint Sarah yet known or published?

Name Change For Article
I think that the article should be changed from Saint Sarah to "Sara e Kali." Since we actually know tht no such person as a 'St. Sarah' ever existed in the Canon of Saints, and that Sara e Kali is actually the name of the goddess whom the Romanies worshipped, from their early days as Hindus, I think it would be far more accurate to call the article Sara e Kali.--Splashen (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Was saint sarahs family Rich
Just out of interest 2A02:C7E:32F6:9D00:C9F0:1A53:F778:A46C (talk) 17:51, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "St. Sarah" actually never even existed. This is actually a Romany goddess under the guise of a Christian saint, in order for the Romany to continue to be able worship her and avoided persecution in Christian Europe. Splashen (talk) 20:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Was she brave
Was she brave 212.129.81.233 (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

So, about who venerates her...
Well, she's not an actual saint, as in canonized, or recognized as such by any church. She's a Romani icon, for sure, but Well, she's not an actual saint, as in canonized, or recognized as such by any church. She's a Romani icon, for sure, but they've yet to build a Christian denomination. As some people clearly pointed out in other threads here, she's basically a differently dressed Kali, the Hindu goddess. Can we stop saying the the Catholic Church venerates her as a Saint? Darth2207Lucas (talk) 02:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What does canonization have to do with Christian saints? Several of them are just folk saints. Dimadick (talk) 22:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)