Talk:Saiyan Saga

Can someone please undo the last revision, which deleted most of the text. I tried it myself and it wouldn't work.71.218.19.184 03:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah one sentece is telling us nothing about this subject usernames DBZRocks and Sesshomaru are deleteing all the information on these sites. Instead of deleting everything they should try to improve the sites by having this approach if you find something that is to lengthy abbreviate it if you find something with out a reference find the source and jot down the references. User:Shinobigai
 * See Talk:Dragon Ball Z, that will clear everything up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Added the information back, with citations for the two dates used. Episode list and manga chapter list included, which should also suffice as source for the plot info, unless you honestly expect a citation with episode number/manga chapter for every single sentence in the plot summary. This page is in similar format to the Dragon Ball saga pages that are not being routinely removed without just cause. Similar in format to other anime pages as well (for instance, Turn A Gundam); thus the complaints about the plot summary or episode list being too long do not seem consistent with what has been allowed in other entries on the site. Please do not delete the entire page without a good reason anymore. User:shortpier
 * Ok first I would like you to see WP:DBZ. That should clear up most of your questions. Turn a Gundum is not an article that should really be used as an example for good content on Wikipedia. Plot summaries are to be kept short not ridiculiously long like the one you added back. I deleted all of this because not only was the plot summary bloated, it was poorly written. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

If you think it's poorly written, then rewrite it better. Simply deleting it and replacing it with a stub -- a stub that is grammatically bulky and factually incorrect (you'd think in two sentences you could avoid making mistakes, but "the second part of Dragon Ball Z"?), no less -- serves no purpose except to troll. Why replace "poorly written" actual content with a poorly written stub? It's completely illogical. You'll notice that besides Turn A Gundam, I also cited the Dragon Ball saga summaries (Emperor Pilaf Saga and Tournament Saga are two examples, but they all follow the same format). Each of these saga summaries includes a much longer plot summary, an episode list, and even more information that I did not see fit to add (such as VHS/DVD releases, sometimes trivia, etc). If the episode and manga lists are not appropriate for the saga page, then those standards should be enforced across all Wikipedia pages, but strangely that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems to me that you are not truly abiding by Wikipedia's guidelines but by what fits your own personal preferences. In the case of the manga chapters, this is information that, as far as I can tell, is not available anywhere else on Wikipedia; if you will steadfastly refuse to allow it on a saga page, perhaps you should at least split it off into a separate "List of Dragon Ball manga chapters" page instead of deleting it. Whether you think Turn A Gundam is "good content" or not is irrelevant; that article and thousands of others like it are up on Wikipedia and left alone. I have added legitimate, factually correct content with relevant citations and you're deleting it for no reason except that you don't like how it looks. If it bothers you so much, then do do something productive about it instead of just deleting it. Whether the plot summary I wrote is "poorly written" or not, at least if it's up then visitors to the page will have access to the information it contains. What you're doing is completely counterproductive and asinine. User:shortpier —Preceding comment was added at 23:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, first of all, the page has many spelling mistakes, and the plot summary is too long. The episode list is not relevent and nor is a list of Dragon Ball manga chapters. To be specific, there are two citations in the article. Second the external links you have added are not reliable and should be considered link spam. I should not have to weed through a too long plot summary when it would be easier for me to just make my own. Your arguement that this info is not availible anywhere else is a clear violation of WP:NOT. If you would like to write a clear and consise summary of the Saiyan saga feel free, but this current version is not suficiant. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  23:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The page has no spelling mistakes, but given your own spelling abilities ("arguement," "availible," "consise," "suficiant," and so on), I can see why you might erroneously believe otherwise. The plot summary is much shorter than many other summaries and doesn't contain any superfluous information. Exactly what part of the WP:NOT policy does the manga list violate? The same type of information can be found throughout Wikipedia, but this specific information is not currently available on Wikipedia. If it's so much easier for you to write your own summary, then do it. When you delete mine, there is nothing else there to replace it. As I said before, this is counterproductive and asinine. Also, the external links lead to reputable, informative fan sites which can serve as external (albeit, secondary) sources of much of the same information provided on the saga page. Such fan sites are linked elsewhere on Wikipedia, so it seems to me that there is nothing wrong with referring visitors to them. I would strongly disagree that listing them constitutes spam. However, if you want to remove the links, I have no strong objection to that; you are merely depriving visitors of an opportunity to pursue further information on other websites. My issue is with your deletion of the legitimate and accurate information I have spent time writing up to post. user:shortpier


 * Wow, Emperor Pilaf Saga, Tournament Saga and any others will have to be downsized to worthless stubs. I'm sure DBZROCKS understands. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Second Last Paragraph
"Eventually, Vegeta transforms himself into an Oozaru. Gohan, Kuririn, and Yajirobe arrive to help Goku, and Yajirobe succeeds in cutting off Vegeta's tail; ending his transformation. Vegeta, still to strong for the badly beaten Goku seems to have won until Gohan transforms into an Oozaru. Gohan's rampage leaves Vegeta too badly injured to continue the battle. Defeated, Vegeta crawls into his space capsule and flees the battle."

Is that correct? I thought (in the anime) the Spirit Bomb bounced off Gohan caused Vegeta's injuries. Kennedy (talk) 10:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The Spirit Bomb severely damaged Vegeta but Oozaru Gohan is what made him lose the battle. Watch (uncut) episodes 34 and 35, they show the Spirit Bomb and the Oozaru Gohan (you can even watch the edited version on Satancity.net, in that case Episodes 25 and 26. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyar (talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It's over 8000, not 9000!
Didn't Goku have a power level of over 8000 in the original DBZ manga after training with North Kaio? I know, I have the manga. When Vegeta read his power level, he said it was over 8000. However, it was changed to over 9000 in the English dub of the anime. Personally, I feel that in the article, it should be changed to over eight thousand.Super Vegetto (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it was over 8000. 9000 is only in the English anime. Son Gohan (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)