Talk:Saiyuki (manga)/Archive 1

Cleanup
I agree that this needs to be split up. The most glaring thing to me is that despite the title of "Saiyuki (manga)" more than half of this article is about the anime based on that manga, which has some significant differences. I'm much more of a fan of the manga than the anime, and I feel that the article should at least be about what it claims in the title to be about. I also think that the original Journey the West myth needs some more love and attention, and perhaps has "first dibs" on this title. IsaacSapphire 01:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Do not move any names here! I am using the "TokyoPop" names. WhisperToMe 23:05, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

How about moving the Gensomaden Saiyuki article to Gensomaden Saiyuki? —Tokek 14:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

This needs a serious cleanup. I believe this needs to be split up. --Penwhale &#124; &#91;&#91;User talk:Penwhale&#124;Blast the Penwhale]] 01:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Move this article to Gensomaden Saiyuki. "Saiyuki" generically refers to the story of the Journey West and Monkey King. Put in some disambiguation link to your favorite anime article. Without the original, there would be no Gensomaden. The name "Saiyuki" is really for the original.--60.43.34.23 14:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but only the first anime series is known as "Gensomaden". The title of the first manga series is simply "Saiyuki", and the series as a whole (both manga and anime) is known under that name. Perhaps the information should be reordered to bring the legend to the top, and have its adaptations follow it or be made into separate wiki pages. --Kakumei 00:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

How about a more detailed page on the anime/manga, with character bios, like the article on the anime/manga BLEACH? I'd love to do it, but I'm still new here, and don't really dare screw up the article...

--Levin09:42, 04 May 2006 (UTC)

Things that need to be added

 * Saiyuki doujinshi culture.
 * Compare & contrast to Patalliro Saiyuki.
 * Saiyuki Live Action.
 * Saiyuki Reload ~Burial~ OAV. http://saiyuki-ova.net/web/
 * Radio Saiyuki Reload.
 * Saiyuki Gaiden 3.
 * Pre-Saiyuki with Studio Backgammon.
 * Saiyuki video games.
 * Add that Saiyuki was produced by ADV and that the American Voice Actors are as follows: David Matranga as Sanzo, Greg Ayres as Goku, Braden Hunt as Hakkai, and Illich Guardiola as Gojyo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.1.1.101 (talk) 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Romanization
I changed it to "Gensomaden Saiyuki" as opposed to "Gensōmaden Saiyūki"—the Japanese best-of album uses that Romanization. urutapu 01:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Broken weapons
I was of the impressions that they actually created or summoned their weapons (a la goku's Nyoi Boi), as they aren't seen with them except in combat situations. Wether or not this is the case, however, I wouldn't know. The anime doesn't really discuss it. --Melissia 20:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

"Food and Sanzo"
Is there any actual evidence as to that certain episode being added to "show that Goku's life revolves around more than food and Sanzo"? Did a director say this or is it mere conjecture? Denimcat 19:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Not that I've seen. I recall a coupe of episodes where Sanzo was badly hurt & Goku absolutely refused to eat. But it IS true that his life revolves around food & Sanzo.

Reload and Gunlock seperate entries?
Perhaps someone might want to start an entry for the second and third series of this anime, and link it to the main article. I did an extensive edit and rewrite for this entry, and have noticed that someone keeps inserting information about Hazel Grosse and Gato in particular. I can only assume this is because he/she is a Gunlock fan with a particular interest in these characters.

However, I feel this information is irrelevant to this article, as the idea is to describe the original series only. There are dozens of characters in this series, from Gensomaden to Gunlock, (and the movie) and there simply isn't room to describe them all in one entry, nor is it fair to include information on someone's personal favorites just because they can or want to. This is not a fan forum and an encyclopedia entry is not the place for trivia, bias or unnecessary information.

We're all passionate about anime, obviously, which is why we're bothering to edit these entries. I'm a passionate fan of Saiyuki, and wanted the entry to have some polish, clarity and professionalism in it's content and presentation. Yet Hazel and Gato are from *Gunlock,* a seperate series, and not relevant here.

If you feel passionately about Reload or Gunlock, or the Hazel Arc in general, then write up a seperate entry and give it the attention it deserves, rather than a brief and ambigous mention in the middle of this article.

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Ilove this show

Messy Saiyuki articles
Some problems with the Saiyuki articles:
 * 1) This article had a lot of html markup in it (copied from a website?), I tried cleaning it up. The two other articles, Saiyuki Reload and Saiyuki Gunlock suffer from the same html plague.
 * 2) I also noticed that this article, which is called "Saiyuki (manga)" doesn't contain an infobox on the manga, where as those two other articles contain an infobox on the manga, identical on both articles.
 * 3) The info on the voice actors is repeated on the reload and gunlock articles.
 * 4) The info on the theme songs is in this article, and repeated in the two spinoff articles.
 * 5) The characers are described in this article, they each have their own page with a huge block of text.

-> What is the use of having two separate articles if you're repeating the info? Are they useful, or can they be merged into this one?

-> Why not create a 'List of Saiyuki characters', cut down the info and slap all info on the characters and voice actors in that article? Ninja neko 20:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Merger
I propose to merge the Saiyuki Gaiden article into this one. Any objections? Ninja neko 20:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is about a small side story of this manga, and does not need it's own article.
 * The article only contains some plot info, which can easily be placed in here.


 * Oh, and I also proposed a merger for Saiyuki Gunlock into Saiyuki Reload, if anyone cares to join that discussion. Ninja neko 20:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I say, go ahead and do it! -- chsf 15:07, 2007-06-05 (CET)

I agree, & don;t forget to mention that Gaiden 2 is out. Why doesn't Tokyoopo plan to translate them??? >.<

There are 3 now.

please don't it would be spoiler for those currently reading the series, (DH)


 * Went ahead with the merger, only kept very basic info. The Gaiden series could perhaps also use a part of the infobox here. Ninja neko 18:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Name Kanji?
There seems to be something severely problematic with the kanji that appear next to each romanized character name in the Characters section:
 * 1. In the case of those kanji I recognize, no commonly accepted readings agree with the romanization of either given name or surname.
 * 2. Some names include katakana, which are blatantly wrong as they have no significant variance in standard Japanese reading.
 * 3. None of the kanji names agree with the same characters' names presented in kanji in the From Classic Novel to Anime section (these, by the way, do agree with the given romanizations).

Somebody with perhaps some substantial knowledge of the series or the classic want to step up here? Tsunomaru 05:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Genre = Shoujo
Ask anyone, check websites, even Japanese websites; Saiyuki has a 90% or higher shoujo audience & most men who like it keep that fact to themselves. Like everything Minekura-sensei does, the series is more bogged down with gay jokes than Jay & Silent Bob, plus all the random non-book based episodes are sjoujo-typical, though season one is arguably "tougher." & most obviously, the characters have a great deal of femanine appeal & some degree of femininity to them. Unlike shounen, fight sceens are short, women are unimportant (except to Gojyo & even then for a messed-up & unusual reason), & the series is heavy on angst & personal drama. Guys don't seem to like this series or avoid it because of it's reputation.Most importantly, Zero Sum is a shoujo manga anthology, with other titles such as Loveless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 06:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The series has been serialized in a Shonen magazine, thus would be classified as Shonen, no matter who reads it (see also: Love Hina). Ninja neko 06:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Zero Sum is SHOUJO. http://www.ichijinsha.co.jp/zerosum/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The article states that this manga was serialized in Monthly GFantasy, which is shonen. (P.S. please sign your comments using 4 x '~') Ninja neko 08:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * While I will not proclaim which one Saiyuki is (Saiyuki was serialized in a shounen magazine, while Shound;t it be mentioned that the demograph for seasons 2 & 3 are shoujo? Saiyuki Reload was serialized in a Shoujo magazine), your claims of what Saiyuki is, is quite misplaced. Saiyuki theme of shounen-ai are only apparent within the fanbase, not the manga and while women don't stand out much, that wouldn't make it non-shounen (Naruto and Bleach have their share of unimportant woman, and they're still shounen). Now while I understand what you're saying about in appearing shoujo (since it doesn't provide fanservice for boys save fighting) it's quite demeaning to make Saiyuki look like a shoujo manga when it actually has more in the way of light seinen than anything else Keollyn 17:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, many of her oldest fans believe that she makes tougher shoujo because she finds delicate femeninity degrading & boring, also that she makes all of her characters interpairable in all of her mangas but likes to keep things realisticly descrete. There's also the fact that she has a few BL mangas under her belt & her Saiyuki characters designs are recycled from those books. Wild adapter is even more guilty of all this.

Haha, one was done in shounen & one in seinen. That would deffinately explain why the 2ed & 3ed series were so watered-down & girly. Kazuya Minekura is concidered a BL mangaka though. My guess on switching to a shoujo publisher is in responce to the lack of male audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.122.193 (talk) 08:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Shoudn't it be mentioned that the demograph for seasons 2 & 3 of the anime are shoujo?

Character addition
Either its me or most of the characters were deleted before. Do we readd them again? Ominae 11:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * They're in a seperate article "List of main characters from Saiyuki" Ninja neko 12:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Forgot! Darn it. How about Homura and his two companions then? Ominae 02:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Plot info
I don't know much about how well the first anime ties into the manga, so I'd like if somebody would let me no how it does overall. One particular thing is that Homura and his companions are killed in the finale, and I don't if they are dead in the manga.

Merge
I have tagged Saiyuki Gunlock and Saiyuki Reload for merging back to this article. They are all the same series, with no significant differences to justify having them separate from this article. Saiyuki Gaiden appears to have been merged here awhile back, so it would make sense to do the same to the other two. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to see this happening. I've watched and read all of Saiyuki, and I wondered why it was split so strangely.  If anything, Reload and Reload Gunlock follow the manga way more than the original 2-season anime, which is essentially all filler.  This manga is a favorite of mine. :) -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 05:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tee hee...in that case, would you like to tackle fixing this articles rather pitiful plot section. I was suprised to so little content here for what I thought was a fairly popular series, and even more so to see it has no ep list, no chapter list, etc. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Once I master the fine art of human cloning, gladly. ;) Actually, I'd be happy to tackle it in perhaps a week or two, if that suits you.  I'm drowning (and I do mean drowning) in this article for Daiwon & its magazines.  It will give me a wonderful opportunity to revisit the series.  The anime is really long, though, (and very episodic at times) so I'll definitely have to start off with the manga! -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 05:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that sounds fine to me. And agreed on the anime, I never could finish it, I got bored with waiting for something to actually happen. Is the manga keep the story going more? I may need to give it a try. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The manga is awesome! It's so much better than the anime.  The storyline is more linear, much less episodic, and  feels like it's actually moving along, IMO.  It's quite a bit more mature in some places, and they're all a bunch of pottymouths.  Minekura's art is gorgeous, probably my favorite.  The name change in the manga comes from a change in publisher, no actual break in story. :) -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 06:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll have to see if my library has it. Pretty sure they do. :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * First I just want to agree and say that the manga is so much better than the anime. The first few volumes ofthe original Saiyuki may feel boring, I guess, but after while you just get into it. And the art changes dramatically for the better. I was actually just thinking that I'd help with clean-up and finding refs here. Still, I have Last Order: Final Fantasy VII to work on and save from being merged, but while I'm waiting for a book with development info to come, I'll be sure to help out this article. And I don't have a problem with the merge; Gunlock and Reload's article stubs will fit fine. Merge away! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You think the first few volumes were boring? Try reading the books Saiyuki was based on. Now THAT was boring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 14:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Square Enix
SE published Saiyuki in Japan. Just FYI. :) -- hamu♥hamu ( TALK ) 14:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay...but why isn't it mentioned in the article? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The tag is there to help editors from that project know this article may be of interest to them, that's all. Whether it's already mentioned in the article doesn't really come into play (and actually it is mentioned in the infobox).  If a project thinks the article is relevant to them, then it's relevant, and if it looks like a clear case of tagging in error, then you can just ask.  :) -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 14:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, according to the article Enix and G-Fantasy published the manga. Enix is part of Square Enix (merging of companies), and G-Fantasy is part of Gangan Comics, a manga imprint of Enix. Kariteh (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Demographic.
Gensoumaden Saiyuki may have been shounen, but Reload & Gunlock are very watered down. The women are mosstly gone, there's no more nudity, the series is more comical & less serious there's a whole episode deticated to how hot some guy thinks Sanzo is. Or is this just some new-wave fad Japan is going through? Because the same thing happened to Slayers Revolution & Evolution-R. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 00:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The original series was serialized in a shounen magazine, while Reload and Gaiden were in a shoujo mag. It's easiest to just stick both in, I guess. However, the anime for Reload and Gunlock is nearly all filler. The manga is quite different, and is currently a mixture of both shoujo and shonen. Either way, shonen is probably the best. Even if the newer stuff is in a shoujo magazine, it still is filled with violence, cursing, etc. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Saiyuki is published by Zero Sum. Taken from the wiki: Monthly Comic Zero Sum (月刊コミックZERO-SUM, Gekkan Komikku Zero Samu?) is a monthly shōjo manga (targeted towards girls) magazine published by Ichijinsha. It contains over six-hundred pages and has a variety of genres. Its newest manga, #000000 ~ultra black~, debuted in autumn 2007. Well-known manga include Saiyuki Reload, Amatsuki and Loveless. Some manga chapters have furigana next to kanji in the speech bubbles, which caters to the attention of readers of all ages.


 * Saiyuki Reload is published by Zero Sum, but the original Saiyuki was not. It was published in a shonen magazine. Saiyuki Reload and Saiyuki Gaiden are published in shojo magazine. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Which means it switched demographics & 2 of the 3 series are shoujo. & Reload is a continuation & Gaiden us a prequil, not alternate universe. By listing the series as shounen, you're insinuating that Saiyuki is shounen as a whole. Change or remove the shounen demographic.


 * It's just a matter of whether or not to use the original demographic or not. I'd say to keep it, because Reload and Gaiden are sequels/prequels, and this article's main topic is the original series. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's in-general, because typing in Sauiyuki Reload & Saiyuki Gaiden redirect to this page. Speaking of which, information of the volumes & magazine need to be added to the blue box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 14:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sequel information is placed in the article, but the article as a whole focuses on the main series. Reload, Gunlock, and Gaiden used to have separate articles, but they were merged. They didn't have the amount of information needed, and they could fit on this page. That's why they link here. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * & as a whole the series is predominantly shoujo. If there is a series taking place after Reload when Gaiden is finished, it will more than likely be in Zero Sum. Why? Because Gensoumaden Saiyuki had an overwhelming female audience, hence the change (Minekura's's history with being a BL mangaka doesn't help attract male readers either).


 * The demographic box currently is for just Saiyuki. If other boxes were added for Gaiden and Reload, then they would be listed as shojo. But the Saiyuki box should be shonen. As for Minekura being a BL manga-ka, I've never actually seen any work of hers that fits the category. Unless Brother or Just! are BL. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Brother, Just, & the one with no furigana that Wild Adapter borrowed characters from. Wild Adapter is also highly suggestive, as is her art books like Salty Dog & the anime opening & ending art in Saiyuki animes...& some of her old doujinshis. Adding extra boxes for Reload & Gaiden is a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

XD Translation?
I came up with "Evil Magic Tale Monkey" as a translation.......................

.................... Uh... *incorrect*  moo cows rule talk to moo 05:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

About video games
I've created a video game list and add 2 games produced in japan. I also create a page for the one on the playstation with the picture of the box cover. The article came back to the old version. Could somoene change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bis senchi (talk • contribs) 14:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No information was added in your edit, instead information was removed. Neither game is notable enough to have a standalone article, and you edited in French instead of English. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

What about the musicals?
2 musicals (and certainly a third to come) have been produced. They are called Saiyuki Kagekiden Go to the West and Saiyuki Kagekiden Dead or alive. May be we should put them somewhere in the article...

The title fo the first OVA of saiyuki is not mentionned may be because it not the one in the orginal version. The trouble is it is known under the name "saiyuki premium" What about adding this title? Do you think this is a good idea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bis senchi (talk • contribs) 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you point to some reliable sources on the musical? Where is the OVA known as Saiyuki Premium? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

You can see it on youtube [ILLEGAL LINK REMOVED]

Saiyuki Premium is the one mentionned in the box that has the following characteristics

Takashi Sogabe Studio 	Tokyo Kids Episodes 2 Released April 23, 1999 August 27, 1999 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bis senchi (talk • contribs) 12:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources are needed, not links to YouTube which are in violating of WP:COPYRIGHT policy (and has been removed). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I should have guessed that link to YouTube would have created problems. Here is another source http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=3218

Those OAVs have not been raised in the US in the Canada or even Australia but they got success in japan. They encouraged the producers to produce the first 2 seasons. And the first one will even won the "anime prize" in 1999! That's what I thought it would be a good to add the title and even a small page about it. Another thing is that the dubbers we hear are not the ones that will play in the OVA!

As I mentionned above, the 2 OAVS are already listed, but their names does not appear! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bis senchi (talk • contribs) 23:51, May 28, 2009


 * MyAnimeList is also not a reliable source. There must be reliable sources. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I really have bad luck as far as finding reliable source is concerned... How do I recognise a reliable source for Wikipedia anyway?

Deleting of the Opening List
Hello WhiteArkticWolf, why did you delete the list of the openings and endings? --SaschaPascal (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Characters
Shouldn't the characters have their own wikipedia pages, instead of leading to the pages of saiyuki's wikia?  ~R ei ka  21:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)