Talk:Sakura Kinomoto/Archive 1

Age Correction
I would like to note that she is actually 11 in Season 2. --Kaishi Zero

Redundant?
I would suggest that this article is redundant; while Sakura Kinomoto is an excellent character, I think she can be well enough covered under the main Cardcaptor Sakura article. Even if it were possible to write a full article on her, I don't really think Wikipedia is an optimal place to do that. --Jonathan Drain 02:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, why not? Most lead characters get their own pages on wikipedia, ranging from popular Western animations to popular mahou shoujo such as this. Come to think of it, is there any kind of story/film/series that features a character with equal power to Sakura Kinomoto?Rabbitlover 15:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Image required?
I am considering adding a picture to this article. To comply with Wikipedia's image rules, what type of image should i put, a promoatinal card or something else?- Dynamo_ace 22:33, 22 July 2005

Someone else, already did this task, so i want be needing to upload anything.--Dynamo_ace 22:05, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Images
Are there too many? I moved text around, so the Tsubasa part of the article looks squished right now. But that can be remedied by adding more text and information. ^_^ It'll get worked on. --Crisu 23:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh and I moved the Name thing to the top of the article. I didn't omit it. I just saw that it was put back and thought that I forgot to erase it the first time. Sorry about the confusion, Dynamo_ace. --Crisu 00:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Update: Okay, I think I found a nice configuration for the images. This actually won't be a problem anymore when the Tsubasa section of the article gets more paragraphs. Then it would push the calendar image further down, and everything will be peachy. Unfortunately my Tsubasa knowledge is lacking right now, so I hope someone can pick it up soon. --Crisu 00:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed one Tsubasa image, simply because the Tsubasa subsection is currently too small to warrant three pictures. The remaining two are enough for now, and the one I removed is still used in the main Tsubasa article. ..In addition, I added three pictures for each Sakura-relationship, just because all that text I wrote was starting to look really boring without a decoration, ha. --Crisu 04:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Japanese
I edited in the Japanese for Sakura's card-sealing phrase, but I'm not sure I got the part for "...meant to be in" right, so could someone please help on that? I left out the romaji since I'm not sure if it's right. SpionKop 01:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Height & Weight
Does anyone haver her Higher and weight to add to her profile? Roguebfl 01:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of the information present comes from the mini-profile that appears on the side of a certain page in the manga (I forget which one). During the first few volumes, CLAMP would profile one of their characters on a random page.  I don't think height and weight are among those given.  We could estimate her height based on her appearance in the manga or anime, but I think guessing weight accurately would be impossible.  (The same would go for any other character.)  --Crisu 01:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Why bother? If anything the height and weight would be addressed as 'variable'!

Non-topic discussion
I have removed the discussion that has since gotten off topic and is now inappropriate for this talk page. We should not encourage this guy or waste time discussing things with him. Just so it's known that I'm not blanking this discussion, I'll put it in /offtopic. I don't think I need to explain myself, but if anyone wishes me so, I will give you a detailed explanation of why we should not serve as entertainment for trolls. -- Ned Scott 12:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And if anyone thinks the discussion should continue on the main talk page, then feel free to move it back, but I think it's pretty clear that this is just a troll.. -- Ned Scott 12:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's right, when someone beats you, just call him a troll and get rid of the evidence, that way, it will look like you won and that you were right. It amazes me that anyone can be a moderator here. You do not have balls to defend your point and you name call, you’re pathetic. I’ve allowed e-mailing in Wikipedia, sent me a message and I’ll send you my phone number (or send me yours if you’re underage and your parents don’t let you do long distance calls). Let’s try to settle this like real men and not hide behind a web browser. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duhman0008 (talk • contribs).
 * Please do not removing warnings from your talk page, and please don't make personal threats to other editors 
 * If that's all you have to say, then fine, I'll take my victory and leave. Don't think this is the end. I thik I'll make a website/forum for people to post all the crap that has happened to them on Wikipedia, maybe something like wikipediasucksballs.com Duhman0008 12:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Splitting Tsubasa section
One user suggested splitting the Tsubasa section into an article. I don't think it's large and significant enough for its own article, unless there is going to be a "List of characters of Tsubasa Chronicle" article. For now it works, as Tsubasa!Sakura is at least a derivative of CCS!Sakura. --Crisu 21:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Ned Scott 04:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is that her last name isn't Kinomoto in Tsubasa Chronicle, I would assume it would be Reed since her father is Clow Reed. Maybe make a pointer from Sakura Reed to the Tsubasa section on this article? --Kaishi Zero
 * Just in case you don't know that redirects don't work with section labels... well, they don't. That's all, bye, Shinobu 13:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. The Tsubasa Sakura is a very different character from the Card Captor Sakura.  As much as she's originally a derivative, now she's become too different that the fact becomes a side note.  Plus the Tsubasa section is just gonna keep growing.   So spilt Q. Lockins 08:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes to some extent they are very different but Tsubasa's Sakura is Sakura just in another dimention shes not like CCS Syaoron and CCS Sakura's son who just took on his fathers name and is actually another person, she is Sakura. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.13.2 (talk) 14:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant Information?
The following information under the section about Sakura's relationship with Yukito Tsukishiro struck me as irrelevant.


 * "Because Sakura's romantic ties with Yukito end in canon, her appearance with him in fandom and fanfiction are rare. Yukito is instead more popularly paired with Toya."

Does the average reader really need to know this? ChibiKareshi 09:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Tsubasa Section Outdated
The Tsubasa section of sakura's bio is seriously outdated, but should I add in the recent chapters of Tsubasa (100-136) or is that too much of an spoiler? Jazz189 1:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't really need a major summary in the first place. We probably should just trim it back, keep it simple, and reevaluate it after the series is done. -- Ned Scott 08:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see..but can you explain to me again why my edit was reverted? I didn't quite get the explanation you gave.Sumhtun 06:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A bit outdated, but somebody posted info to Sakura Kinomoto's appearance in the Tokyo Revelations 3 OAV. I cleaned it up a little and added an image to it. Ggctuk (talk) 10:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Tsubasa section is actually getting quite large; shouldn't it either be trimmed back, or put on a separate page? I think it's starting to get confusing having the CCS information and the Tsubasa information on the same page, since both Sakuras are distinctly different characters. Tsubasa has some other character pages, why not make one for Sakura too? 3loodlust (talk) 14:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Perhaps the Tsubasa character should have its own page - there's enough information for it. Though we should keep the 'Sakura Kinomoto in Tsubasa' part on this page. 213.166.17.12 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Why people deleting unknow to them information
In the cardcaptor sakura, they two english version. one is nelvana and the uncensored English translation of the Cardcaptor Sakura from Animax. I recently added the phases and sentence use by the uncensored English translation. Maybe its nearlt the same with the japanese but its not. I hope those people that delete can understand the extra phases itsn't for saying the japanese translate but for the actual words and phases use by the uncensored english translation.

I know you maybe never heard of it but just because you never heard doesn't make it doesn't have it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaudo (talk • contribs) 00:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC).


 * I'm not sure why you think this is different information. Dub translations will usually re-word things to help sync up with the mouths of the characters, but the meaning of the words doesn't actually change. It's a bit redundant to list a second CCS set of phrases just because of a dub-sync technical issue. -- Ned Scott 07:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats true in some cases but when it comes to english dub animations they normal edit out some things so that there`s no swearing or so that the words match the new script they`ve made just for the english version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.182.157 (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2007 (UTC) Where can you get the Animax version?Rabbitlover 15:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Who in this world deleted the Italian dub's phrases?
Reeally, who did that? And most of all, why?

I mean, seriously, at least someone could have provided explanation, for why it was removed. And no, mentioning the Italian dubs is NOT against the Wikipedia's rules - the Tokyo Mew Mew article and talk can prove that very clearly.

So, whoever did that, please provide a good explanation, as for why they did that. ;) - OBrasilo 22:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no point in repeating the same words in a different language on the page for the English version when Wikipedia is specifically set up to handle articles in different languages. The only reason we note the Japanese here as well is because that's the original languages used in the work of fiction. On the German Wikipedia I would expect to see German and Japanese, but not English.. Original + local languages, not all languages. -- Ned Scott 04:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Which is different from noting something that happened in the Italian release.. -- Ned Scott 04:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, in the Tokyo Mew Mew article, I even added the characters' names from the Italian dub, and no-one complained. Actually, the moderators even asked me to put MORE information about the Italian dub there.

Also, it's NOT repeating the same words in a different language - the Italian dub of Cardcaptor Sakura has DIFFERENT phrases, that's why I put them here.

And I also think, that the Italian Wikipedia does list information about the English dub as well, so I see no reason, as for why the English Wikipedia shouldn't list information about non-English dubs as well - this is an encyclopedia after all.

Plus, I have never seen, among the Wikipedia rules, that you shouldn't list facts or phrases from non-English adaptations of things. - OBrasilo 23:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * "the moderators"? Wikipedia doesn't have moderators.. Look, putting information in another language that has no particular notability is just pointless. It helps no one. If someone wants to see what the Italian phrases are they can just click on the Italian language link. -- Ned Scott 22:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * But what if an english-speaking person, who does NOT speak Italian, wants to do a research on how Cardcaptor Sakura was adpated in other languages, besides English, and thus would like to see not only the Italian phrases, but also their English translations? Then, according to you, they have to learn Italian fluently, go to Italy, buy the Italian dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura on DVD, get the lines out of it, and translate them to English by themselves, because there are no English-language sites about the Italian dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura.


 * Also, the Italian Wikipedia has NO article about Kinomoto Sakura, and even if it had it, it wouldn't be of much help to someone, who does NOT speak Italian, but would still like to do some research about non-English adaptations of Cardcaptor Sakura.


 * Actually, even Italian sites with those phrases are very difficult to find - I remember having had to go through hundreds of Google results, before I found the actual phrases.


 * I think you people don't realize, that this is the Wikipedia in the English language, and NOT the Wikipedia of the English-speaking countries, so it should still be considered an international encyclopedia, but in English language (thus enforcing its internationality even more, since English is the most spoken language on the world), and not an encyclopedia, centered at the English-speaking countries, what most of you mistakenly take it to be.


 * Plus, I also don't understand, how come it's OK, if I list the Italian names of the Tokyo Mew Mew characters in the Tokyo Mew Mew article, but it's suddenly not OK anymore, if I list the Italian Sakura's phrases in the Kinomoto Sakura article.


 * And about notability - you have no point there. If around 6 million users of Gadu-Gadu are enough to make Gadu-Gadu notable, then at least around 30-35 million watchers of the Italian dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura should be more than enough, to make the Italian dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura notable. - OBrasilo 13:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Simpsons" couch gag
Yeah, um. I was just on the Sailor Moon page and it says she was the one Lisa was impersonating in the anime-related couch gag. Brutannica 02:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Look, without having actually seen it, the consensus seems to be that it was Sailor Moon, not Sakura. This seems more likely, anyway. Brutannica 02:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's got to be Sailor Moon. People wouldn't get the joke if it was Sakura. -- Ned Scott 03:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

My apologies to Ned Scott
I apologize to Ned Scott for pointlessly arguing with him about the Italian Sakura's Phrases. Actually, he was right (and I'm NOT sarcastic), so I put the Phrases back now, and that is, their version WITHOUT the Italian Phrases, because yes, it would clutter the Wikipedia too much, if we were to list the phrases for each, and every single existing dub of Cardcaptor Sakura, or any other anime, that is.

I also apologize to Ned Scott for my previous apology, which was actually a bit too harshly worded, and even posted without me signing in beforehand, so it appeared as vandalism (not to mention, that me, pointlessly removing my previous Talk section, also just made it appear even more as vandalism). That would be it. ;) - OBrasilo 21:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No hard feelings. -- Ned Scott 06:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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Sakura's Weakness in the second season
The section on Sakura's magical power said something like "Yue pointed out Sakura's weakness when she collapsed from a single card transformation in the third season." I changed to say second season because I'm pretty sure that's when she collapsed, but have not yet seen the third season. Could a devoted fan check on this? Thankyou Adbelliveau 14:04, 14 August 2007

Third season. That's when she starts to transform the cards. Watch the seasons first! You'll get spoiled here. ^^ Sumhtun 04:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The japanese version is made up of 3 seasons, only the english version uses 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.133.10.234 (talk) 11:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In Japan the story is seperated into the "Clow Card Chapter" and the "Sakura Card Chapter", as can be seen by these these books:
 * http://benippon.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=142&language=en
 * http://benippon.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=146&language=en
 * However the Clow Card arc is divided into two "seasons". Shiroi Hane (talk) 17:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Sakura and the new card
Did Sakura create the nameless card or any other card in the manga? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.173.34 (talk) 14:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, she didn't. In the manga there were only ninteen cards the entire time, and Sakura never created any more. It was implied that the cards were something special, that not just anyone could make a card for whatever they wanted, the ninteen were the limit. The anime had Sakura create a new card because it gave them the chance to lengthen the storyline in order to create the 2nd movie. 3loodlust (talk) 00:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

References and Bibliography
Just thought I'd throw this out there that I've recently added a lot of references for this article and am planning on doing the same for all of the others. Feel free to edit as you wish, as I noticed Ned Scott already has, I tried to cover the article pretty thoroughly, but I think I might have overdone it a little. Obliviously since I'm planning on adding to other articles in the same manner, a second opinion would be greatly appreciated. 3loodlust (talk) 16:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Tokyo Revelations Cameo
Hi everyone,

I just tidied up this section a little bit. I haven't seen the OVA yet though so if I got something wrong please feel free to correct me. I also think that it's important that fan speculation and theories be kept to a minimum on Wikipedia.

I also removed the part about Sakura and the whole alternate worlds discussion as: A) It was badly worded, B) I don't believe it is ever explicitly stated that CCS and xxxHolic occur in the same world - only implied, and C) Even if (please note: "if") CCS!Sakura died in her own world, there is nothing stating that her spirit would be trapped in that world, therefore the theory presented has little to no basis.

David-Ryan (talk) 12:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * xxxHOLiC Volume 2 has Yuko explain that Sakura and Syaoran of her world are related to Clow Reed (she calls him 'Mr. Glasses' as well). Check out the biography for Clow Reed here if you are unsure. A small biography at the back also explains that Clow Reed is the same Clow that created the Clow Cards, therefore it's more than an implication. Though I agree that fan speculation has no place, it certainly has some bearing that she appeared here (though it has yet to be expanded). Also I agree that Tokyo arc is not the same world since Sakura Kinomoto never appeared in the manga. Just thought you'd like to know. EDIT: I'm not logged in BTW, but thanks for replacing the slightly grainy picture of Sakura that I put here yesterday. 213.166.17.12 (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree CCS and xxxHOLiC are set in the same world, as Yuko says in the first chapter of the manga: she will meet Sakura and his knight, but Sakura (Kinomoto) and Syaoran (Li) won't meet her. Instead, she will meet meet Sakura and Syaran from another world.
 * Anyway, Sakura Kinomoto's appearance is a little bit off. As we see in Tsubasa, every character shares his/her name, age and look with his/her "duplicate" in another world, and more important, they share the same soul. This mean, Princess Tomoyo from Nihon, Tomoyo Daidoji from modern Japan, Tomoyo from Hanshin Republic and Tomoyo from Piffle World have the same soul, and the same age. And this is acceptable (I know it sound weird and confusing).
 * Since they have the same ages, Sakura Kinomoto should have appeared older than that. Tsubasa and xxxHOLiC are set few years after CCS: when Watanuki see CCS staff's replica he seems recognize it, and Yuko says the original is owned by a cute girl, which prove at least that is not set before CCS. In CCS world (even if is not the same as xxxHOLiC's one) Sakura should be much older now, and I dont understand why in TsubasaTR she appeared as a 10yo. The only explanation I thought about is that it would be easier to recognize her in that way. --Exephyo (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Going to speculation, it could be a form of foreshadowing. Or it could be some sort of fanservice because of the countless number of comparisons between CCS and TC. That may be all it is. But it may have deeper meaning. Until TRC and xxxHOLiC are finished, we won't know for definate (although Yuko herself also says there is no coincidence...) Ggctuk (talk) 08:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To be honest, in my opinion anyway, it's just some fanservice. If it really did have big implications for the story it would have been included in the manga - or so I believe. David-Ryan (talk) 05:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Retcon?
From the article, referring to Sakura's power of the stars: This could be seen as a form of retcon, as earlier in the series Kero had told her that her magic was closer to Reed's than Li's, which would imply that her magic was drawn from the sun or that it is of a celestial nature like Clow's. Stars are suns, just...far away. I don't see how this is a "retcon," as in my mind it just implies that Sakura's power is like a little far-off sun and still growing. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 04:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not really a retcon. I think the person who wrote that didn't quite understand what was going on.  IN the beginning, Sakura used powers that more closely resembled Clow's (as she was using the Clow Cards and also the Clow staff).  When Sakura's wand changed that signified a change in her powers - which began being drawn from "her own star".


 * The whole "powers changing from moon to stars" was basically one of the key points behind Sakura having to change the Clow Cards into Sakura Cards - as her new "star" powers were incompatible with the "moon" powers of the cards.David-Ryan (talk) 05:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)