Talk:Salad Fingers/Archive 1

Gender debate
He or she? The articel talks about "he" but it seems that David has choosen to let Salad Fingers to be female: In episode 7 the loading-screen says "... she loads" and in the same episode one can see Salad Fingers in a dress on stage...
 * "she loads" seems to be referring to the flash animation itself as a she. This is not unusual - someone admiring an object will often say "she's a beauty, isn't she?" etc.


 * Salad fingers is male, thats why on the website, under fan stuff. he calls the woman dressed as salad fingers "Mrs. Fingers"


 * Salad fingers does not appear to be female, refer to episode three when he has his shirt off...the body is of a male not female. Darktrial 03:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Salad fingers is bisexual, because he's definately a guy, as shown in episode 2, and if he wears a dress, he's either bi or gay. Simple enough to me. (76.169.114.161 00:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC))


 * In episode 8, Salad Fingers says (of himself) "A man can't cope with all these unsettling frequencies," or something to that extent, before entering the safety cupboard for the first time. This would suggest that the author considers him to be male. E James (talk) 23:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "Mable" refers to the main character as "Mr. Finger". He is male. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.154.250 (talk) 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

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"He can lactate (shown in ep. 3), which is uncharacteristic of males."?? In episode 3 he only appears to lactate because either of the nettles' juice coming out of said nettle or because of some form of pus coming out of his nipple. Removing quoted text. ---


 * Please see the article on Male lactation -Grammaticus Repairo 03:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Borrowed Themes
Why has there been, thus far no mention of the borrowed themes, and appropriation of Chris Morris's work, namely Blue Jam/Jam? In very many ways, Salad fingers (and Firth's other work) is a pastiche of Jam, and is entirely reliant on the same formula. Why it hasn't been previously considered worries me; it seems this article currently has no real level of depth or impartiality. It needs more objectivity and have more appropriate criticism.


 * Wikipedia is user compiled- that means, if you know something that isn't on the page already, then write it.

Hi! I ported in all the episode summaries and edited as I saw fit. Please go wild with corrections. Phorque 17:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Page move
This should be under Salad Fingers IMO. Eszett 01:17, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree... but I'm not sure how to make redirects so I'm going to leave it here for the moment. SECProto 00:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Done. You do it using the "Move this page" link to the left. Kuralyov 05:35, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should compile a list of symbols in each of the episodes? Fnar 07:23, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

salad fingers 7 has just been released.

Amount of info
I wonder if people need that much info on this article. Much of it are just obvious details that don't really add much to the article as a whole, and anyone who actually takes the time to watch the movies would certainly come across them. So, I believe that's uncalled for. Anyone thinks the same? – Kaonashi 12:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Not I. Plenty of articles have obsessive amounts of trivial information; and besides, isn't the ebauty of Wikipedia that it allows people to write as much as they want about any topic they want? Leave it up, I say, it's not harming anyone. Kuralyov 00:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not paper a rusty spoon. Heh heh. --BesigedB 22:44, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What happened to my 2,000 word thesis on Salad Fingers? I can see moving the theory off the main page because people think it doesn't belong there, but to delete the whole thing without even contacting me!? That took a couple hours just to get the thing on here and include the other widely accepted theories Kyle Michelson


 * The content that was removed from this page is currently being judged if it'll stay in Wikipedia or not. On the theories page you mentioned yourself. Until people decide what to do, nothing should be moved to this page. As for deleting things without contacting you, that's no the way Wikipedia works. Whenever you edit an article, you can see a part that reads "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it", in the bottom of the page. It means anything you add will be changed, and no, nobody is going to warn the original author. Not for ask for permission either.


 * Wikipedia is not the place for personal essays. Read that too.--Kaonashi 05:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Alright, so is it possible then to include a link to my essay on the main page for salad fingers? The author contacted me to post the essay for the site, and because of this, I thought it might have been alright to post it here. Point taken, but even though you're following the rules of wikipedia, how about the common courtesy of providing a place for the author to get back his information? I wrote and changed a lot in the wikipedia article, so it would help if I had that to go on for the link I'll provide if that's allowed. I can't find your e-mail address. Instead of wasting space here, want to contact me at michelsonk@comcast.net?


 * Hold on a second. "Providing a place for the author to get back his information"? What do you mean by that? You mean a place to have his work on the Internet? That's another thing Wikipedia is not. It is fine to provide a link to that essay here, yes. No problem on that, as long as it's just one, and not several. Also, don't worry about talking about this on this page. The discussion is pertaining. If you have something else you need to discuss, you can use my talk page.--Kaonashi 05:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I missed some information in the link you gave. I'll post the essay in Meta or whatever it's called, the offshoot of Wiki that allows this. Scratch that last part, but as for saving information, I mean a page that would have information about a delete. Something where it shows WHAT has been edited out, the history of a delete. If I can find a page like that I could copy the information and bring it over to Meta. It's not critical, but it would make things easier.


 * All the content that was ever added to an article can be found on its history. The previous version of this one is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salad_Fingers&oldid=21619424

--Kaonashi 05:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much Kaonashi. I tried to find the history but couldn't locate that page. What's the debate about the Salad Fingers Theory page though? If Wikipedia isn't a place for personal opinion, then there should be no argument over it. I'll contact the author and copy his article. I guess we can post both of our theories on Meta if the Theory page gets scrapped.


 * No problem. About that discussion, I'm not sure you you saw it. It's here. People are discussing about whether some of that content should be merged into this article or not. Still needs consensus.--Kaonashi 05:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Last thing then: If parts of the Theories page merge with the main page, will it be OK for me to re-post my original material? If you're talking about content there that has nothing to do with the author's analyzation of episodes 1-6, would it be ok then to have a Theories section on the main page like I had before, but just have links to the Meta pages for our essays? I would prefer to have more exposure to our articles than what would be given if the links were posted in "External Links" because there is a lot of helpful information there for people to read. It wouldn't distract from the main page and only be a few lines long...Thanks for your help Kaonashi.


 * I don't know if the theories article has anything you wrote on it. If decided, some of its content might be merged into the Salad Fingers article. You might feel like adding something of your own to it, later, but then people will look at it and decide it it's good for staying there or not, just the same way. It's all about teamwork. Things are never done by a person alone.


 * And well, if you really need a place for hosting your work, you can try a hosting service. Also, there are probably sites devoted to things like this. If you do a little research, I'm sure you'll find something interesting for you. I believe right on Fat-Pie's forums you can find clues.--Kaonashi 06:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Thesis link
Posted by 81.79.108.158:

"Can someone link me to the theory website please?"


 * Looks like the link to that site is http://www.freewebs.com/saladfingers/, but it's not available anymore and I can't find anything else about it. Sorry. --Kaonashi 02:14, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which... Where IS the Theories entry on Wikipedia? LindsayW 06:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed! I recently discovered Salad Fingers and have become very interested in its cult following. I was excited by the mention of a theory page in the article, but was unable to find a link to it. After some googling I found this - is this the one you are talking about? Should it be linked to in the external links section? I haven't added it myself since it seems like this is under discussion / in flux. --Jacquesjean 13:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
This article and the David Firth one get a lot of vandalism. Does anyone know why? I'm curious. I can't think of a good reason.--Kaonashi 23:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Probably because of the recent release Salad Fingers 6, there has been a revival of interest in the series and Firth's work, which is unfortunately bound to attract vandalism on the articles' contents.


 * I'm also suspecting this being related to a number of people's unease of Firth's subject matter, which features gore and violence in certain movies; Milkman being one of the more notable in the type. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  13:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC) ╫

The content of his works might be the reason, but these articles have always suffered of vandalism. It's pretty weird if you ask me. But, who knows.--Kaonashi 01:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Episode discussion (Under development)
(I'm thinking about adding this section in. If people like where this is going, I'll tidy this one up and also write similar pieces about the other episodes. Any comments? Please feel free to make edits yourself or even move it into the main article. --Billpg 01:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC) )


 * I think it's a great idea, but if you've ever been to David Firth's homepage you'll see that these episodes can generate a lot of discussion and controversy, and might even need to be moderated considering the most exposure this cartoon gets is on the site Newgrounds where immaturity reigns. We've also got a major problem with the organization of this Wiki entry. What we have are the main page, the discussion of the main page, and also the Theories page if it gets passed. There's probably too much information to put everything on the front page, so do you think we could merge the discussion with the theories or vice versa? And should the episode synopsis go here, or on the front page? Currently it exists in both. Some major reorganizing has to be done here Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005

I like some of these theories, it does however need to be worked on a little but this is what a discussion thread is. For example, i believe the Spoon is actually an object of control for Salad Finger's cannibal/sexual impulses. The fact that it is rusty is that the rust is perhaps a substitute of dry blood, or perhaps a token of the past which we do not know about. We know Salad Fingers has a fetish for liquid and other textured items so it will be sensible.When the crow takes away the spoon in ep. 5 he may have lost his control which is why he freaked about it. The crow is an obvious bad omen, or perhaps it is his conscience? Did he murder the girl? there was definately something wrong at that point. for one there is a grave so someone has died 2)Marjory is possibly someone Salad Fingers had married or was going to marry, as there was a wedding dress 3) MABLE is an anagram of BLAME, PEASE PUDDING is A PUDDING SEEP. Knowing the nature of the series involving liquid this girl was possibly murdered(perhaps poisoned), since she talked really angrily gritting her teeth and asking "what's wrong, Mr. Fingers?" "Do you not like my mouth words?".

I also think the Butcher scene was a flashback from the past, if you regard the nature of episode 6 and compare it to the butcher scene we get some picture that the rusty nail may have reminded him of the past. Hubert Cumberdale wears a butcher's suit, this probably infers that either a) Salad Fingers knows of a Hubert Cumberdale who was a butcher or b) Salad Fingers was the alter-ego Hubert Cumberdale going from the revelations of episode 6 (the bad personality consuming the good personality). Any reason why Hubert Cumberdale could be a butcher? perhaps he is Salad Fingers evil side, and that all the meat hanging up is maybe Salad Finger's old victims, mysteriously there are chunks and hand prints on the meat.

I look forward to this discussion, if you ever want to get in touch by msn do so on raddicks@hotmail.com and we can get some ideas going. i think we can make this article an impressive one --Raddicks 18:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The current theories are sound and seemed to be finalised, well done everyone involved. I believe that the Theories should have its own page yet the synopsis be on the main page, and maybe have an internal link on each episode synopsis heading so the reader can distinguish theory from fact. This maybe easier on the eye, any thoughts? of course, my opinion may be subject to change depending on wikipedian decision --Raddicks 21:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that seems like a good plan. I think right now the main page would be too cluttered if the theories were on there as well. Let's do it! -- MacAddct1984 21:52, August 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, good idea Jeremy! Hopefully people can live with three pages for this series though. Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005
 * I think all factual information should remain on the main Salad Fingers page while the speculation should be moved to the Salad Fingers theories page. -- MacAddct1984 22:03, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the people that have the existence of the Theories page in question will change their minds after seeing how much there really is to analyze in the series, and that merging with the main page would make a mess. I'm not even done writing the theories yet!Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005
 * Just switched my VfD vote to Abstain. I'm not convinced it needs a separate page, but I think the theory page should have a bit more time to prove itself. --Billpg 22:18, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Shall we move (or delete) the "Is it art" and "Humor" from the Theories page, and wipe it clean except for the "Themes" section because this part isn't based on fact? When that page is cleaned up I'll edit the theories out of this page and move them over there. By the end of the week I should have the theories complete. Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005
 * haha, just noticed that someone beat me to it....wow that was a fast move, very good work!

&lt;!--Discussion--&gt;
I wrote much of the Ep1 and Ep2 summeries as a discussion/theory. Since thats moved to a new page, I think that parts of the episode summary I wrote should either be moved into theories or deleted. Thoughts?


 * i think its alright, maybe episode 2 needs to be a little more concise. for example, if you talk about the song 'somewhere over the rainbow', just say he sings it, and maybe in the theories page just say 'the song could possibly represent...' if you get what i mean i hope that helps. --Raddicks 03:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking the size of the summaries may call for a salad fingers episode guide. Anyone keen to set up a new page? Phorque 20:08, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the Episode Summaries are totally out of control and desperately need a rewrite, hence the cleanup tag. They are not summaries at all, rather frame-by-frame accounts of the whole episode. A summary should be a "brief statement of the main points" and not a script. If people want detailed episode guides then by all means go and create a separate article, likewise for theories and conjecture. As it reads these 'summaries' are turgid, unreadable and far too detailed. SaintedLegion 12:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Does it have screamers?
I'm tempted to see Salad Fingers, but does it have screamers? I really don't want to see any.

The first and second episodes have some "screamers" - but they are not really traditional screamers in the sense that nothing odd pops up, the volume remains the same, and they are preceded by a moment of calm that sort of alerts you that something's coming. In later episodes (three and four, for example), there are characters who scream but their facial expressions and body language make it obvious that it's coming. As long as you keep the volume on a sensible setting and know that only mild things await, you should be fine.

Characters on teeth/name
I just added a bit about the letter m and é appearing on his teeth. I didn't notice until just today, and only by zooming in. What's up with that? Also, in that same section it says his name may be Salad Fingers because his fingers look like a sort of cucumber (which may appear in salad?), but I always thought it was his name because his fingers resembled.. salad fingers. Isn't that the name of the utensil used to serve salad? It is like a large fork connected to a spoon, and the "fingers" scoop up the salad into the spoon similar to a hand (fingers) do.EgyptianSushi 04:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This subject has been extensively discussed and everyone pretty much came to the conclusion that the writing means nothing. Firth even made fun of the theorists in his "Milkman" flash for saying otherwise, although you probably wouldn't have recognized it. The letters vary from an accented "e", to an "m", possible an "l", and also a foyf" who I believe is a DJ. Together, or apart, they mean nothing. Kyle Michelson 14:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Foyf is Firth. He used to call himself DJ Foyf; now he's Locust Toybox. -WindFish 03:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

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Glitches and Easter Eggs
''In all Salad Fingers episodes, there are usually some parts of images and objects (such as characters) that extend beyond the borders of the aspect ratio of the movie. One can only see this by viewing the movie as a stand-alone in the browser or player, by opening the actual .swf file rather than viewing the movie embedded in an HTML page (which would maintain the aspect ratio of the view). Because the movie will always dynamically size itself to be as big as possible within the dimensions of the browser window without distorting its aspect ratio, at any given time, one can view only the extraneous segments on the top and bottom OR on the left and right, depending on whether the horizontal or vertical dimension is the one constraining the movie's size. However, by using Macromedia Flash Player and changing the View setting to 100%, rather than Show All, and maximizing the window, one can see what is on all sides of the normal movie itself.''

Removed this section from the article - objects extending outside the boundaries of what will usually be seen are an unavoidable byproduct of Flash animation and not 'glitches'. Instructions how to view these are not relevant to the article. --Richmeister 17:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Attributes
''At first glance, Salad Fingers may appear to be a bald, green man wearing a dark green sweater and black trousers. However, he has many attributes which separate him from any normal human, assuming that Salad Fingers is human.''

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Is there a better way to word this, or is it deliberately NPOV? AlmostReadytoFly 20:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Salad Fingers speaks English with a Northern English accent...

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"Surreal" is not a genre
and neither is Surrealism itself, although many people mistake it for it. I honestly can't find anything very Surrealist about this cartoon, and the adjective "surreal" neither applies to anything in here, and calling "surreal" a genre makes even less sense, as I have never heard any genre named after an adjective form of a word. I'm going to remove the references to Surrealism for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlad the Impaler (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Surreal is opinion. Not fact MarjoryStewartBaxter (talk) 07:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Backstory?
Does anyone know the actual story behind salad fingers? Why is he green? Why is there no one else around him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.44.199 (talk) 01:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Kinda off-topic, but everything in Salad Fingers is up to the interpretation of the viewer. He could merely be an ordinary man, in an ordinary world, with a very unordinary life. He could be mentally ill, depressed, unmedicated, etc. and everything that we see could just be how he views the world - his green skin, and the desolate wasteland that he lives in, his mind completely isolated from reality. That's just one interpretation though. 122.107.221.248 (talk) 07:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Aparantly Salad Fingers' family left him to go to the Great War (World War 1), which explains him talking to the corpse (who he thinks is his brother) about coming back from the war, and also when he was talking to Jeremy Fisher about it. When they left him, he went psychotic. I don't know if this is true (big palava over a random cartoon..) but it's what I've heard. Also.. Salad Fingers- a guy, right? I've heard other: Sally Salad Fingers. In Ep 2, a young boy falls in love with SF, doesn't that mean SF must be female? Unless this boy at such a young age is homosexual, which is quite unlikely. I understand that this is a very surreal cartoon but in Ep 3, when SF rubs a nettle on his/her chest, milk comes out.. Is it just me or is that impossible for a guy? Another piece of evidence: in Episode 6 (or 7 I forgot) he/she wears a dress. Maybe this is because SF is mentally ill, or maybe he has no gender? I guess this topic is left to the viewers decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.209.197 (talk) 21:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Why would it be unlikely for the boy to be gay? 91.105.154.187 (talk) 11:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Why would it be unlikely for Salad Fingers to be a female? 99.236.221.124 (talk) 00:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

One thought on the identity of the Great War: In episode 7, Salad Fingers sings "We'll Meet Again", a song that was not written until 1939, during the second World War. It's possible that the Great War was the first world war, and that a long amount of time has passed since then, but unless it's just a mistake on the part of Firth, I don't think the idea of Salad Fingers being set shortly after or during the first world war is supported. This may or may not have a place in the main article, but I thought it would be best to put this information here in case it could be utilized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.227.134 (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

My interpretation is three fold 99.236.221.124 (talk) 00:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * One, that SF is an insane cannibal who perceives the world strangely
 * Two, that SF is living in a post apocalyptic world which drove him insane
 * Three, that he is both (an insane cannibal in a post apocalyptic world)

It's possible that when Salad Fingers mentions the Great War, it's possible the nickname for another war, like a nuclear war that destroyed everything. Which is why the series has a Fallout-ish setting. And the finger puppets he would use were probably people he knew before the Great War, all of whom perished during said war, so Salad Fingers, alone, sad, and falling deeper into insanity, made finger puppets in an attempt to "revive" them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.16.188 (talk) 05:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you people -really- think that David Firth is putting this much thought into Salad Fingers? Do you really think he considered the date when the song was made? It's not like this is some real person's life you're talking about, you know? You're trying to make science from one of the most nonsensical web animations out there. It's what it is, and it's great as it is. Furthermore, all of this analysis is totally out of place, since even if you came to an agreement, you wouldn't be able to add it to the article, since without an external source backing it, it would all be original research. --uKER (talk) 12:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Film Theorists have two videos in which they offer an interpretation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCTTeql6V-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCTTeql6V-A Could be worth talking about some interpretations out there. 68.58.218.88 (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Salad fingers may well be female- he gave birth in episode 9. Does that not raise many questions??? MarjoryStewartBaxter (talk) 07:03, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Mable/Mabel
The girl's name is more usually spelled "Mabel". Do we have any reason to spell it "Mable" here? 86.131.94.6 18:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears that way on the cartoon.-- Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 01:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This article and OR
This article is so bizarre in tone that it meets its subject more than halfway. Do we really need character descriptions of the finger puppets that only appear for 15 seconds? Extensive plot summaries of episodes that are only a minute long? Now that the popularity of this meme has died down I think it's time to do some ruthless cutting of the article. If no one objects in the next couple of days, I will do so.-- Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 01:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay I greatly shortened the episode summaries and character sketches, although I'd like to shorten them even more. I eliminated anything that smacked of OR.  With a cartoon like this, it is so tempting to try and say "oh, this seems to be happening because of X" or "that bizarre object could have been a Y or a Z."  No one wants to just accept that the cartoon is surreal and doesn't make logical sense. -- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 07:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that to say that speculation has no place here, even in an article such as this? Zombieninja101
 * Yes. Speculation has no place on wikipedia, ever.- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 05:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There was a paragraph towards the beginning in which the cartoon was described as taking place between 1920 and 1940, etc., but this is both purely speculative and ridiculous considering the cartoon's surreal setting. Removed. 86.140.101.177 16:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that is so speculative, since in one episode sallad finger states that he has returned from the big war (WW I). So it set somewhere shortly after or during WW I (he might have returned before the war really ended). ComicKurt: That is not death wich can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die. 13:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ComicKurt (talk • contribs)
 * Given the nature of the world Salad Fingers lives in, there's not necessarily any reason to think his "Great War" is the same thing as WW1. The cartoon presents a very distorted view of "reality," so I have to say making that connection is OR at best. And given everything else that Salad Fingers invents around him, the whole "Great War" could arguably be a product of his imagination. Exerda (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Psychological
I think this aspect of the horror deserves more mention. No, I'm certain it deserves more. I'm sitting here paranoid because of it. I wouldn't do a good job writing it though. Zombieninja101
 * In various places, the cartoons are called "disturbing" and "surreal", in an objective way. I personally do not find it horrifying, just weird.  There are probably message boards (not on wikipedia) where you can share these impressions, but wikipedia is not the place for individual editors to share their impressions of a subject; otherwise we end up with passages that say stuff like "some people have commented that the cartoons are horrifying", which is language explicitly to be avoided (see for example WP:WEASEL).  If you find a third party source, article, widely-read blog, or something that refers to what you are feeling, you can use it as a reference and add to the article.- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. It was coupled with insomnia anyways. Zombieninja101
 * Sorry I was curt, this article was a disaster until a couple of weeks ago and I want to try and prevent its old state from creeping back in. I overreact sometimes when I sense someone might be trying to turn a pop-culture article into a discussion board (not what you were doing)- Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 18:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't notice. In any case, I retract my initail statement, now realizing that insomnia + Salad fingers = paranoia. Zombieninja101

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Mable
According to the article, "[Mable] is the first character other than Salad Fingers who can communicate in English, and she is the first person other than Salad Fingers to actually speak—something that seems to shock and dismay Salad Fingers." If I remember correctly, the little boy in Episode 2 is clearly crying out "Help me" in English. Don't know if that's significant enough to bother changing the article over, but to say that Mable is the first person other than SF to speak is inaccurate. 144.131.46.192 02:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That's not the little boy, that's Salad Fingers saying "help, help me, help." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.63.89.51 (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I also think the little boy was talking when SF wanted to leave. It may have just been giberish, but to me it sounded like, "No, I found you now" or something along the lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.246.81 (talk) 03:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, the article claiming that he "not likely" killed Mable is false given Salad Fingers paranoid schizophrenia. It is clear from the sequence of him losing his most treasured prize (the spoon) and her giggling that he probably killed her in rage. The "gouging of her eyes" sequence while he cowers in the corner is a flashback of killer's remorse (as if to say "what have I done"). It's a reoccurring theme throughout the series as seen with him eating another being (thinking it was Jeremy Fischer), how he treats the grubworm, and the armless man he finds at his door. It not only explains his source food, but also that his psychosis makes him an "accidental murderer" (sort of like a child who "pets too hard" and kills his animal friend).Anthiety (talk) 06:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

French or Spanish?
French or Spanish? There seems to be some controversy over the words Salad Fingers says in Episode 2. I don't speak either well enough to saym though I'd lean toward French... but I doubt anyone is going to be able to find something definitive that isn't original research (and no one has provided a transliteration yet, either), so I am changing it again to just "in another language" rather than "in French" or "in Spanish." Exerda 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

He/She/It (my opinion is female) is speaking French. I can't decypher the whole thing because it's been about 4 years since I took French, but part of what Salad says is "Comment t'apelle tu?" which is French for "What's your name?" The rest sounds like French, but as I said, it's been awhile, maybe we can get someone to decypher it. On one of the other pages someone wrote it as this: "Alors: habille-la. Comment t'appelles-tu? Qu'est-ce qu'il y a?" which poorly translated means "Then: equip it. What are you called? What is there?"

NemFX 02:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok if we can't tell French from Spanish we have some problems. I could immediately tell it's french. Alors, Comment t'apelle, they're all french. =) Tyler Warren 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, though as I said above, my French isn't good enough to provide an honest transliteration. What I don't get is people changing it to "Spanish" with regular frequency... though given my limited French, I'm hesitant to definitively chalk it up as that (though some others have provided transliterations + translations, thankfully). Exerda 04:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am a native Spanish speaker, I can confirm that is not Spanish. BrunoX 15:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It is French. I speak English, French and Spanish. It translates to English as: Then. What is your name? What is the matter? 90.205.174.60 (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The first time I heard it, I thought it was some gibberish. How can you recognize his French anyway with the thick English accent? --88.67.41.146 (talk) 14:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

idk how to make edits but i did some research on google and google translate and salad fingers in episode 2 says

Hello Nabilah, what's your name? What's the matter? so if someone can insert that in here it would be very helpful

Plot Speculation?
It's irrelevant--Mackbeth24 19:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed--although some of the points made are able to be backed up by primary sources from the various episodes themselves (i.e. are simply statements of fact), on the whole, the section strikes me as "original research." Wikipedia isn't a place for speculation, after all. I'd recommend toasting that section entirely. Exerda 04:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I pulled it out yesterday evening, for reasons cited in the main article's edit summary (WP:NOR & WP:V for starters). Someone's welcome to start a blog speculating about Salad Fingers, but that content just doesn't belong here. Exerda 15:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hyperlinks
If "The Great War" mentioned in the comic has not been identified as World War One, I don't think that the words "The Great War" should be hyperlinked to this article. To me, this is misleading information. I will remove the hyperlinks in a few days unless there is further discussion on the matter. E James (talk) 23:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Seconded. It's sheer speculation based on the similarity of the name "Great War," and given SF's own obviously distorted perception of the world, it's really impossible without a statement from Firth himself (or a future event in a SF episode to come) to make that conclusion.  Remove the link at your leisure, IMHO! Exerda 04:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

They have now been removed! E James (talk) 21:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, one could easily argue that referencing anything in an episode of Salad Fingers amounts to "sheer speculation". In fact, Exerda's statement regarding "the similarity of the name" is a good example of "misleading information", as the use of such a phrase implies that there is actually some difference between the phrase used by Salad Fingers and the actual 'nickname' of the First World War.


 * "The Great War" has been one of the traditionally-used alternative names referenceing WWI for a very long time. Wikipedia's disambiguation page contains numerous references to films/books entitled "Great War" or "The Great War", all of which reference WWI.  The only other references listed here are to the Napoleonic/French Revolutionary Wars and to the Uruguayan Civil War, all of which occured well before the advent of the radios and telephones that appear in episodes of Salad Fingers. Just because present-day generations are not accustomed to hearing the event described with that euphemism does not make it any less true or accurate, just less common.


 * Personally, since so much of what happens in Salad Fingers' world is likely to consist of his own twisted delusions, I think that it is not unreasonable to make a fairly solid connection when one appears to be offered. That being said, I don't necessarily feel like there needs to be a link to the WWI article from the phrase.  I just think that it is unreasonable to try and cast so much doubt about this being an actual reference to World War I.  -Grammaticus Repairo 16:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The world he looks in looks like wasted from an nuclear war.77.13.150.161 (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Episode 8
I think the "serial killer" theory, which is referenced to as a possibility, is irrelevant. It seems to be an opinion. Just thought I'd mention this.

Also, there is no mention of the the argument between his hands once in the safety cupboard (this is notable because it changed the emotion of the main character).

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohitsbrandon (talk • contribs) 01:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Note, however, that he has 5 hairs and that corresponds to the number of 'real' characters he's met in previous episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.154.250 (talk) 19:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but this is still an opinion. He may very well be a serial killer, but there have not been 5 serial killings that we know of. It is merely an opinion, a possible one, but still an opinion. Some people believe Kim Jong-il is a great leader, a God, but it does not say on his page, "Kim Jong-il is a great leader and God." Ohitsbrandon 05:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Newgrounds
We all know Salad Fingers is well-known on Newgrounds. But, why doesn't BlockHead, Madness Combat, etc. recieve its own page as well? Madness Combat also recieved its own day on Newgrounds, September 22nd I believe. Not exactly saying this page should be deleted, but there are other well-known series on Newgrounds. Does Salad Fingers have a day for itself? 68.151.164.55 03:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Because nobody here is justifying the existence of wiki's Salad Fingers article based on the character's high profile on Newgrounds, this is the wrong forum to be arguing for the existence of articles based on other characters popular on Newgrounds. If you want 'BlockHead' and 'Madness Combat' to have their own articles, then feel free to write articles for them.  Wikipedia is based on the idea that anyone who cares to contribute can do so.  --- Grammaticus Repairo (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Victoria Crisp
The story about Victoria Crisp is included in the links listed as "references", however it is not mentioned at all in the actual body.

Story "Pam Smith, attorney for ex-teacher Victoria Crisp, said her client’s complaint has been revised to include allegations that female special education students skipped class to sleep in Watertown Police Officer Lloyd Burke’s office, went off campus with him for lunch and watched a strange Internet cartoon with bizarre dialogue. Burke allegedly even encouraged one of the students to call him “daddy,” the complaint read." This sort of third party coverage, a sex-scandal involving a police officer, special ed kids and Salad Fingers is probably the only thing that could make this article actually notable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. As it stands its hideous OR-worded cruft.--ZayZayEM (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why does deflowering link to rape? 76.234.129.163 19:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

- I always linked deflower to the loss of one's virginity, rather than rape. "Flower" in the sense of being pure, and "deflower", well, the opposite. Not sure how it is linked to rape :S [user:Guest] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.213.148.110 (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Mental Disorder
Salad Fingers was originally listed as being schizophrenic and having pica. This has been changed to him merely having psychosis. Salad Fingers has many of the identifiable traits of the disorganized schizophrenic (odd use of language, neologism, word salad) especially noteworthy are "grubby tap" and "you look so beautiple". The references Salad Fingers makes show disorganized thinking: his 'frolicking by the riverside' with Kenneth went back to a memory of him counting the distance between his house and a tree.

Salad Fingers also illustrates pica on a number of occasions: the eating of string/hair, a doll, and sand. Sand is a classic example of geophagy.

I can understand him not be classified as schizophrenic but the pica part I don't understand. Thoughts? Kronermark (talk) 00:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

depressed
we should makea note of the fact tht he David Firth made salad fingers along with his othe incredibly dark cartoons when he was severly depressed Luke12345abcd (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure--so long as it's properly sourced. Exerda (talk) 14:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

hes a dude
his a dude he looks like a dude and talks like a dude question answered
 * Chris Crocker looks like a girl and talks like a girl, but he's a dude. Question remains a mystery until further evidence is given.Robert Cafazzo 00:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode 7: When first seeing "Kenneth", Salad Fingers says that he had "come back to Shore Leave to see his big brother". That implies that Salad Fingers is male. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.30.230.248 (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

But we don't know that he is talking about himself. Considering he wears a skirt at the singing and the boy falls in love with him, I'd say he's unsexed. Best email the creator and ask yourself. :) Genjix (talk) 01:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

In the interview on the bottom of the page, author refers to Salad Fingers as a "green man" and "he". So I'd presume he's either asexual or male. Clerlic (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

At one point milk comes out of one of his nipple, while hurting him self.Does this qualifies him as a female?--88.82.47.214 (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Exerda (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

He's male. Salad Fingers talks about himself as a male in episode 8, when he says; "A man can't cope with these unpleasant frequencies about" and he is referred to as "Mr. Fingers" by Mable in episode 5. The milk thing could just have been part of his psychosis, but both he and Mable think he is a man. He has a man's body ... he has hair on his fingers and abdomen, and no breasts. Just because he speaks quietly and has a rounded back doesn't mean he's an old woman. IMHO, the same applies with the little boy who fell in love with him. True, it's not often you get homsexual crushes in youngsters, but then again, it's also unlikely you would fall for someone as ugly as Salad Fingers, no? In cartoons like Loony Toons, Bugs Bunny cross-dressed. You get odd things like references to homosexuality and suchlike and other stuff in all cartoon types-- for example, Thomas laying eggs in Tom & Jerry. Salad Fingers is surreal. It isn't meant to make sense. --86.150.211.201 (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's neither male nor female. As from the users above, there are several instances where he is feminized (courted, lactating, wearing skirts, etc) and several in which he appears masculine. None of the references cited above (big brother, a man, etc) can be explicitly determined to be self-referential, and thus his sex seems deliberately ambiguous. But as the user above says, it's not meant to make sense. Anthiety (talk) 06:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lactation is not feminization. Jewish male prisoners in concentration camps during the holocaust were observed to lactate after being starved nearly to death. 124.183.85.169 (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

David Firth Links
Just a reminder: the "David Firth" article has been deleted and now redirects to Salad Fingers, so Firth's name within the Salad Fingers article should NOT be a wiki link--that creates a circular reference. Exerda (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

delete this shit
what is the point? do u know how many super popular series are on ng? blockhead, burnt face man, bitey, clock crew (clock crew deserves an article more than this). sure, sf (sf=salad fingers) is popular, but it's not the best. either delete this, or merge it with something (i dont know what). also, i think the ng game dad n me deserves an article, cause it won an award (best 2004 web game).
 * Nominate the article for deletion, then, if you so desire. IMHO, though, Salad Fingers meets the notability requirements well enough to keep its article. How about making a positive contribution, like a Clock Crew article, then? Exerda (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

well, I dont see how this is notable. Most is just episode explanations and character bios. Do finger puppets really need bio's? I'm appauled that this has an article- it only has 8 episodes! And men from up the stairs is also a pointless article... But anyways, how is this possibly notable if others arent? I mean, burnt face man is just as notable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.238.182 (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Why was the David Firth article deleted?
Someone searching for information on David Firth will not find what they are looking for on the Salad Fingers page. Surely it should be the opposite: integrating the Salad Fingers page into the David Firth page? That would make a great deal more sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.127.156 (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I searched for information regarding David Firth on wikipedia and was directed to this article on Salad Fingers, which contains practically no useful information regarding David Firth whatsoever. IMO it was a mistake to delete the David Firth article, and as such I support the idea of moving this page to David Firth as proposed above. How it is (talk) 23:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. This article is about Salad Fingers, not David Firth. --Geniac (talk) 06:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

What in the name of David Macellwee are you talking about? THE DAVID FIRTH ARTICLE IS STILL HERE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE DELETED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souvalou (talk • contribs) 15:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think there a few valid questions here which haven't been answered

-Firstly, why are 2 of David Firth's flash cartoons notable enough for articles as well as MC Devvo, yet Firth himself not notable? It doesn't seem to make sense, you wouldn't expect to find an article about a piece of music or art without an article about the artist. I'm not trying argue Firth's notability or his cartoons lack of notability with this first point, just wondering about consistency..

-Secondly is the issue of 'David Firth' redirecting to this article when there is no information to be found about him. For example 8 of Firth's cartoons have featured on television in Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe and Firth is mention in the Screenwipe Wiki article. Anyone who's watched the show and looking for info about him or followed the link in the Screenwipe article will are going to be linked to irrelevent information.

-Thirdly is the issue of Firth's notability, as well as the online popularity of his cartoons, 8 of them have appeared on television, he himself has appeared in a televised interview, he writes and releases music under 4 different names and has produced music videos for artists such as Datach'i which have appeared on albums released by notable record labels. His notability is comparable to Jonti Picking, Rob Manuel, and Joel Veitch all whom have their own wiki articles. Again, consistency.

As suggested before a David Firth article merged with Salad Fingers etc would solve all of the above problems too..

Sorry ramble over, can someone please give some explanations or give the go head to make some changes. --Reginald Herring —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC).

Loner Theory
I believe that Salad Fingers is meant to, in a surreal way, demonstrate the mind of a loner, as in someone who enjoys solitude from other human beings, and show the simple innocence of his mind. It obviously becomes clear from the first episode that their is little or no malice in Salad Fingers whatsoever, and any violent deaths he causes have been completely accidental. When he discovers a corpse (whom he dubs "Milford Cubicle") outside of his house, he even invites it in for "Warm Milk," and when he accidentally kills a large woodlouse, he shows no apparent realisation that it has died, and that he has killed it, only saying "Well I shan't play with you again until you've had a wash!" Salad fingers makes several references to out-of-date songs and events, and I think that this suggests that Salad Fingers has perhaps been uninformed of the current events since World War 2. One of the most confusing episodes is episode 6. In this episode, Salad Fingers happens upon a toilet and becomes visibly terrified at what is implied as his own reflection. When he returns home, he is stunned to see a vision of himself, accusing him of indecent thoughts. My only conclusion to this rather strange turn of events is that Salad Fingers has become so accustumed to living alone that he becomes apprehensive at the sight of his own face, which I think might remind him of his own race of people, which this theory implies that he tried to get away from. Indeed, in episode 8, he comes across a radio which accuses him in a similair manner to his Doppelganger in episode 6, giving further evidence to what I think Salad Fingers sees himself and other people (people who actually communicate with words) as: constantly accusing and ruining his solitude which he clearly enjoys, perhaps showing why Salad Fingers lives alone and why he becomes terrified at when an actual person actively talks to him. The fact that he enjoys rusty spoons and nettals, I think, is simply a character trait (maschisism), perhaps a side-effect of his solitude, although it may have a deeper meaning. None of this theory is supported in Episode 1, but that episode was probably meant to be comedic, and Salad Fingers as a recuse most likely was developed more in later episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulSyphon (talk • contribs) 14:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, I believe that Salad Fingers is a man experiencing some sort of mental illness, probably schizophrenia-- ongoing, persistent psychosis. He hears noises and voices coming from inanimate objects (e.g. a disconnected phone, a dead radio, puppets, a toilet ...), sees strange things, like a desolate wasteland, his doppleganger, a puppet turning to a "sticky" river - which would qualify as hallucinates - and believes in the possible delusion of an ongoing war that may or may not be real. He in general seems to be ill. But this is all speculation, of course ... ;) 86.165.81.77 (talk) 11:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

It is ridiculous to have an article on an artwork and not on the artist. If an artwork is notable, the artist is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Opaqueambiguity (talk • contribs) 18:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Post-apocalyptic world
The article states that "Salad Fingers inhabits a desolate, sparsely populated post-apocalyptic world". Isn't it just speculative? As far as I see it, the only clear fact is that Salad Fingers lives in a desolated region. Shouldn't this statement be altered? --Brandizzi (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone he meets is deformed, his house is numbered 22 while no other houses are present and there is a toilet in the middle of nowhere. maybe the word 'world' should be changed to 'area'

--121.210.91.87 (talk) 06:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

What's so special about this?
This is completely stupid. If this has it's own page then why don't Blockhead, Jerry Jackson, Eskimo Bob and all of those others get pages too? If they are not gonna do that then just delete this page! How do you even delete these stupid pages anyway? Besides, it's just some creepy flash cartoon about an ugly human-like hunchbacked creature who loves spoons! There is too much Newgrounds info about it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souvalou (talk • contribs) 15:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * you are right, let's delete it together, i have my finger on the button. - 220.245.253.81 (talk) 08:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It getting press coverage makes it notable. Don't bother trying to delete it. Not going to happen. You don't like it? Look elsewhere. --uKER (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

It's an open access encyclopaedia. The reason those articles don't exist is that no one could be bothered to write them as yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.151.140 (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC) The reason this article exists is because someone went out their way to create it. If the other animation you have cited are so popular why hasn't someone creaed articles on them too?--81.151.154.126 (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Psychological Horror?
Its called a psychological horror cartoon, but I'm pretty sure it is intended to be funny. Maybe dark comedy? Sdcrocks (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's not meant to be neither horror or comedy. I'd say it's meant to be creepy, but that is hardly a genre, is it? --uKER (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Salad fingers, when I first saw it, was not creepy or psychological terror but I found it a good, interesting series to watch MarjoryStewartBaxter (talk) 07:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced Text
There's no source given for the claims that David Firth has confirmed five new episodes in the works, nor that he is reviving Burnt Face Man in the near-future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesRogers5 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Video Clips based on Salad Fingers

 * 1) Lesuth - Red Water https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5DsfSvNw0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4114:6100:89D0:962E:20AD:AEC7 (talk) 05:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The theories section has issues
The section cites two YouTube channels that aren’t notable. Plus it isn’t ideal to cite YouTube videos in general.CycoMa (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

David Firth page
Restore his page. ffs. 23.84.128.179 (talk) 00:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If you would like to create an article for Firth that meets Wikipedia's requirements for inclusion, you are welcome to do so. I recommend you review the deletion discussion and WP:BIO before doing so, especially this requirement: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Alternatively, you could request a deletion review, which I see nobody has done yet. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 02:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * He easily meets that standard though, he created one of the most well known pieces of internet media in recent history, articles have been written about it. 148.252.128.174 (talk) 19:23, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The closure of the RfC by User:Sandstein, on 23 March, said: "Whether any content should be merged to Salad Fingers can be figured out through the editorial process." I'm not sure if any of the other material about Firth, previously contained in that article, has been been merged here. Not easy to judge now that the article has been deleted. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:50, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to look over the archive of the deleted article, but @Throast has made a lot of edits to this one in the month since the AfD. I can't imagine they haven't merged any information. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 10:17, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, the article wasn't deleted. David Firth, which is the article in question, was initially redirected to this article, then turned into a disambiguation page shortly after, so the edit history is still visible., I believe I did integrate a few sources provided at the deletion discussion. Otherwise, nothing merge-able stuck out to me because there was little topical overlap between the two articles. Throast (talk &#124; contribs) 10:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "At least one episode of Smiling Friends" has only just been mentioned, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry? Throast (talk &#124; contribs) 13:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just made a deletion review request. Let's see how that goes. RexSueciae (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The argument seems to be: "Salad Fingers is what's famous, and it's more notable than Firth, so Firth himself can't be considered notable." Apparently there's "little topical overlap between the two articles." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)