Talk:Salina, Kansas

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Sbmeirow (talk) 09:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Spencer Library Special Collections
The gift of William A. Phillips, the founder of Salina. ... The collecting of rare books and manuscripts at the University of Kansas long precedes ... RJBurkhart 22:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Special Collections:

HUH?!?!?dmattt 15:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Population?
So I fixed the first paragraph on Salina, Kansas article page. It no longer says that the population is over 54,000. It is at 46,000 and I have a reference note on there backing the numbers. It is from Salinas official web page. http://www.salina-ks.gov/ dmattt 15:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that the population in Salina does not exceeds 54,000 as it was stated on wikipedia's page of Salina, Kansas. There is no way Salina has boomed 10,000 people in a 7 year span. Salina is growing, but not that fast. 46,000 +/- is more realistic!

>dmattt14:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, the city of Salina updated their web site recently, and they estimate that the population is at around 50,000 now.

MORE PHOTOS
Somebody needs to post some pictures of Salina that makes it look like a place to come visit. There are alot of beautiful landscapes around town. Posting those pictures of just the grain elevators is just depressing. Show pictures of the Parks, Down town, The River Fest! Which brings my second point... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.174.231.18 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 1 March 2007

Smokey Hill River Festival
How come nobody has mentioned the Smokey Hill River Festival!?!? The festival is a big attraction in Salina and is highly anticipated every year people near and far! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.174.231.18 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 1 March 2007

Notable residents
I really wonder about a few of the notables that have been added to the list. In particular: Thoughts? Is our list of notables meant to be inclusive or exclusive?
 * J.D. Rudd: While no doubt known in the Minot, ND, area, I'm not sure that this list should include rookie TV weathermen.
 * Chris Tucker: Actor, but in what?
 * Nathan Tysen: Playwright/musician, but what? Without details on these last two I just don't think they belong on this list yet.


 * I find that notable resident sections are targets for practical joke additions, and also seem to be a great place for anon IPs to just add stuff, including their nextdoor neighbor. My suggestion would be that if there isn't a WP article on them, and you can't find them on google, yank them. ----Steve 15:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Who deleted Matt Sutton in the notable people? He has brought so much to the community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.160.228 (talk) 17:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

50,000 People, PEOPLE!
the population of Salina does not exceed 50,000. I don't know who keeps putting at 55,000? There is no way that salina is 55,000 people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmattt (talk • contribs) 21:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would try resolving this by looking at the city of salina website: http://ci.salina.ks.us --Ks0stm 16:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked the city website and there is nothing about 55000 people, it even says on the front page "Salina is a city...of about 50000 people". --Ks0stm 16:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the comment mentioning that the city has a population near 50,000. Since the 2000 and 2006 census numbers are provided, a reference to the city page saying "Salina is a city of nearly 50,000 people" was weak. That is simply the city rounding up to the nearest population figure on their website and does not represent any new information. Even the more recent 2007 census estimate still shows 46,458. At the recent pace, the 50,000 figure will probably be reached around 2020. Prairie hiker (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

EXACTLY!!!
Yes, even the city of salinas web page notes that there is around 50,000 people in salina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmattt (talk • contribs) 18:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Toward B-class and beyond
I was asked by to have a quick look over this, with regards to moving towards B-class. I haven't checked it in depth, but some comments. Apologies for using note-form; ask if clarification required. This is not a "What is needed for B-class", it is suggestions for general improvement - some of which, and prob some stuff I've missed, would make it meet B-class requirements. It doesn't need too much work for B, IMHO.


 * 'core city' mentioned in lede, not in body
 * Changed to 'anchor city', mentioned in demographics section. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * lede too short; needs to summarize the whole article, WP:LEDE
 * area Native tribes - why capital N ? (Check elsewhere too)
 * Changed instances to 'Native Americans', which is properly capitalized. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Links require disambiguation: 'cowtown' and 'milling'
 * Cowtown link removed (no article to disambiguate to; milling disambiguated to mill (grinding). Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area" - add a ref
 * Ref added, and changed to convert templates for the values. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 13:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * zip code and area code are in infobox, not in body, and have no ref. Either add ref in infobox, or mention and ref in body text
 * Referenced zip codes; I'm leaving the area code as is though, because Seattle (a featured quality city article) doesn't provide a reference for their area code, so it should be fine. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Other facts in 1st para in 'Geography' need a ref too
 * Demographics - please add a min of one ref per para, even if it is a repeat.
 * Economy - the image should not be on the left at the beginning of a section (MOS)
 * Fixed. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ALT text for images would be nice (not a reqt, of course, but is a nice thing to add for accessibility, and fairly easy)
 * Transportation - 1st para and 3rd para has no refs
 * Notable natives and residents - I know this is a pain, BUT if you don't add a ref for each one, these sections are liable to people simply adding more names, without us knowing which are verifiably native/resident. Therefore, please add a ref for each to verify they're from Salina
 * Ref 28 Salina USD 305 School Websites and Handbooks was a dead link at the time of checking
 * Fixed. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Sports' and 'In popular culture' are unreferenced. Both would be better in prose form, if possible - but that's more of a Ga-level concern. Definitely needs refs though; the pop.culture especially, because such sections can quickly devolve into trivia. Trim it down, as appropriate

Overall: (and given this is a quick, non-conclusive review) &nash; if the more significant issues above could be fixed, I think 'B' class. I also suggest this could quite easily move towards GA, and hope that can happen. Suggest comparing with other GA/FA articles on similar topics, Fa.

I suggest, after addressing as much as possible, poke people at WikiProject Cities for B-class and any further comments, and then stick it in for peer review.

Cheers,  Chzz  ► 21:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * B-Class articles are suitably referenced, at present this article is not. There is no references in the sports section, none either in the notable natives and residents and only one in popular culture even when there is lots of information. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

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Lee Jeans
Ok, why do you think these 7 words shouldn’t be in the lead? The purpose of the lead is to highlight points from each section. It isn’t just for population you know.

Saying it is home to multiple colleges and Is one of the largest wheat producing cities might as well be removed tpo. Especially because it isn’t sourced meanwhile what I added was sourced. Might as well remove population too right because that’s under demographics and repeated(sarcasm). I don’t understand why you’re both such against longer leads and just want it to be 1 sentence with the population. Midwestman1986 (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Be advised that Midwestman1986 has been blocked indefinitely for sock-puppetry and nonconstructive editing. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Redundant and problematic history in the lead
First, thank you for the kind words.

I don't think it fits the style to place repetition of the history in the lead. Moreover, I see some some issues with the statements therein. The US government did not remove the Kaw from Salina. While the French traders found the Kaw in the Salina region, by 1806 Zebulon Pike found the Republican Pawnee in control of the Smoky Hills. In 1842, John Frémont records that the Pawnee had driven the Kaw east of Wamego. Diminished by disease and tribal warfare, the remaining Kaw villages were north and east of Buffalo Mound, where the flood of 1844 distroyed all of their homes and fields, prompting the 1846 treaty relocaton to Council Grove. By the time of the battle, the Cheyenne had pushed the Pawnee from the Salina site; but. clearly, the Kaw with the relocated Eastern tribes still tried to hunt there.

So, the U.S. had no real abilty to project force into the Salina Valley at any time the Kaw had settlements there. At the very least, you need a citation for any statement of the U.S. forcing the Kaw from the Salina site.

The interesting aspect of the Kaw involvement in the Battle of Indian Rock, is that their homes were in Council Grove at the time. Under attack, the Potawattomie and the Delaware sent runners out for the Kaw hunting party; one must think how they didn't run all the way to Council Grove and back, so the suggestion is that the Kaw and Delaware parties were close enough to know where each were. I am super fascinated by the resettled Pottawatomie traveling with the resettled Delaware, while the resettled Wyandotte were sponsoring statehood conventions ... This is more your balywick? Are you interested in the state of the lead?

IveGoneAway (talk) 02:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC) 03:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The intro section of a community article should have high-level simplified summaries of the most important topics about the community. Multi-sentence history don't belong in the intro section, because immediately after the intro section is the actual history section.  Some well-known communities with very notable history might deserve more historical text in the intro, but Salina isn't one of them.  •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 03:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)


 * You deserve it, and I'll say it again here for the greater record, because you blew this article the heck up all over again and you are a superb researcher and writer. You made me rethink a place I've always known. This isn't even about exploding out on a history nerd's tangent, or white knighting for the tribes; it's a wondrous coincidence that the history, of such a now utterly utterly utterly boring and unvisitable place, is actually that exhaustively important. A Wikipedia article's content shouldn't be only possessed of the subject's current incarnation, and that history is just as valid as that of a city. But I wouldn't have had the foggiest clue how to start, and I've been too lazy to completely dive into newspapers.com for even that one tragically awesome Indian Rock story. You're making me imagine monuments and mega-plaques all over town, by all rights. And you're making me imagine the possibility of another article about area history alone, but I dunno.


 * In short, I think most Salinans would agree that this article is now officially the most interesting thing about Salina. I'm not saying they'll read it, lol.


 * Redundancy and repetition are the name of the lead game! That's quite literally why the lead section exists, to summarize the contents, to indicate why a busy reader should read this whole article, or to only read the lead instead in the aggregate of reading many leads. We definitely get the establishing backdrop, the highlights, the points of interest, and the controversies. As we see in the lead of MOS:LEAD. This is true regardless of the subject matter. The point is not about competing and comparing with other articles of similar subjects, and there is no such thing as having a sentence count (especially only one!), as Sbmeirow said it is. I had a few things imprecise or verbose, so thank you. — Smuckola(talk) 05:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Unvisitable?
Quite visitable, especially when I had younger children! Many Memories. There is a good selection of restuaruants. In youth wrestling, cross country, and soccer, we always stopped here for supper. Lunch when traveling through? The only Braums on Interstate 70, if You know what I mean. The family fun center. Better water park than Manhattan or Hays. Bicentennial Center. Regional Medical services (father). Central Mall. In the center of modest natural wonders and history; Smoky Hills, Coronado Heights, Rock City, Hill Museum, over twenty miles of trails at Kanopolis Lake, Strataca, Flint Hills.

Youth and adult sports seem to be supported. The page presently neglects your professional baseball team, the Salina Stockade. Here's hoping the river restoration gives the town an expanded trail system.

I have been visiting Salina for business and pleasure for 50 years, and only last year stumbled over the Indian battle while looking at rocks.

Sure, it is flat, but that just makes it very easy to get around!

IveGoneAway (talk) 03:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)