Talk:Sally Mugabe

Peacock Terms
Parts of this article read more like a hagiography than an objective biography.

71.199.115.131 (talk) 00:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reworded everything I regarded to be peacock terms. Did I miss any? Sf46 (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Sally Mugabe.jpg
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First Lady in 1980?
I notice that the article says she became First Lady in 1980. While Canaan Banana's presidency was largely ceremonial and Mugabe did run the country, I believe that technically Banana's wife would have been considered First Lady at that time. Hayfron would have become First Lady in 1987 when her husband officially took over as president. If that is not the case, this assertion will need some justification from a source.--Gloriamarie 18:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Sally Mugabe.jpg
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Amai
The term is common knowledge for any Zimbabwean. I do not see how this can need citation. Mangwanani (talk) 18:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * May well be, but Wikipedia is a a global project. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said it wasn't. There is no point citing general knowledge fact, otherwise every single sentence on Wikipedia would require a citation, which, in my view, is ridiculous. Mangwanani (talk) 18:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But it's not general knowledge for people who don't live in Zimbabwe. It's an important claim as it asserts she was popular. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 19:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well she was but if you really do need the citation for luck, it is mentioned several times on the Zimbabwe First Day Covers with her on and here and here and here (which says "Sally was incredibly popular") aand here. Fact enough yet? Mangwanani (talk) 19:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

"Sarah"
A claim emerged lately that the name was reportedly "Sarah" and the only source available (until now) is from Britain. As the article concerns a Zimabweab personality and Britain has no jurisdiction since 1980 there, I suggest to the contributor of the claim to find a Zimbabwean source or to write "Sally Mugabe" as the main name and Sarah as "a. k. a.". Otherwise this would be a pro-British, pro-colonial POV (in case there are no Zimbabweab sources for Sarah). If we pursue this way, we should rename the title in "Ljubljana" to Laibach and write "a. k. a. Ljubljana", simply because it has been German in the past, which would be an insupportable historical revisionism (the same here, provided that no Z. sources emerge) Bogorm (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems a little over-the-top to insert a "neutrality disputed" tag in this case, since "Sally" is a common Nickname for people christened "Sarah". There is no 'neutrality' issue involved. The source provided (UK National Archives) derives from an application form from a "Sarah Francesca Mugabe" of "Ghanaian descent" for permission to reside and work in the UK. It has nothing in the slightest to do with being pro-British or pro-colonial; it is a matter of accuracy. The article states that she was also known as "Sally Mugabe", so where's the problem? --TraceyR (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the source is non-Zimbabwean and only Zimbabwean documents are entitled to decide over naming. What if someone writes in Bismarck "a. k. a. Bisumaruku", just because in numerous official Japanese documents he was named thus? As a conclusion, please do not remove the tag, since the source is colonial and does not stem from the Republic of Zimbabwe. Bogorm (talk) 20:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Republic of Zimbabwe did not exist at the time, so it has no relevance. Sally Mugabe was Ghanaian and presumably the UK authorities got her name from her Ghanaian passport. This has nothing to do with Zimbabwe, colonial politics, Japanese and German namimg conventions. Again, it is a simple matter of accuracy. The tag is both inaccurate and itself non-neutral. Please keep to the point. Thanks. --TraceyR (talk) 04:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The following information is from the official Zimbabwean government biography webpage here of Robert Mugabe:"Married April 1961 to the late Sarah Francesca Hayfron (1932 - 1992)". --TraceyR (talk) 16:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Title
Why is her married (and final legal) name a redirect and her birth name the title? Babakathy (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Broken Link
I noticed that one of the main references and the only external link "The love that made Robert Mugabe a monster" written by Robert Verkaik for the Independent leads to a broken link. Strangely enough, I went to The Independent website and tried to look under their archive search for the article published in April 6, 2008 to no avail. I wonder if there's a reason why The Independent has removed the published article online. I guess if anyone wants to go through the trouble of editing the page, the following URL can be used as a source since it has the article to its entirety and crediting author and source: http://adalvoice.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/the-love-that-made-robert-mugabe-a-monster-independent-uk/ Sailorsaturn (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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