Talk:Salt Bae/Archive 1

Contested deletion
This article certainly needs work (perhaps even WP:TNT), but I think you can make a non-frivolous argument that the sources provided in this article substantiate notability. At the very least, this should be discussed at WP:AFD. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 09:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * See also the entry for this individual at List of Internet phenomena. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 09:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * , I agree. Atsme 📞📧 17:40, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Not a vegan
http://9gag.com/gag/a8ydoG1/salt-bae-says-he-s-vegetarian-but-why Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2017
Salt Bae name is actually a very smart way of introducing himself to the international audience as the word "BEY" in Turkish means Mr. so it's like calling him MR SALT but instead, he went to using the trendy way! Syeterian (talk) 21:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Can we please use his real name, Nusret Gökçe, for the article title?! Seriously. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  20:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Number of children
Are there any other sources to the number of children Gökçe has fathered (or, possibly, adopted)? The referenced article, which claims he is the father of nine, refers to an Instagram post, in which Gökçe poses with nine kids, but nowhere does he claim they are his, only that family is important. A quick Google search has not turned up any other sources. ehn (talk) 06:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have removed the section. If a Google search does not find anything then their might not be anything online in English. Foreign language sources might have something. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:26, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

You have violated 7. BLP of the subject
False reports being made in order to get innocent users banned. Tcanb (talk) 15:56, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What are you on about? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:43, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you please clarify what you are on about? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

i have met him before and he said he is not kurdish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Channel4469 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you or did you mean to post this in the above section? Either way WP:OR is not allowed, but welcome to Wikipedia. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2018
Please at least put his image.... Kpc10 (talk) 05:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Which image? –Ammarpad (talk) 11:16, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Add a "Referenced in Popular Media" section?
Salt Bae has been referenced in at least two media sources to my personal knowledge. 1. As an unlockable exotic emote in the Destiny 2 video game. 2. In the 25th episode of the anime Black Clover, released March 27, 2018, a castle chef uses Salt Bae's signature seasoning pose to sprinkle salt on a defeated villain. If this has gone viral worldwide like this, there are probably other references too. Steelbuck (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

help about a source
There is a source saying that nusret (saltbae) originated from the Turkish zaza people. He is not Kurdish please remove Kurdish origin from the introduction.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by GlobalPower (talk • contribs)

Please translate the source. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Is

http://www.ensonhaber.com/nusret-gokce-basari-hikayesini-anlatti-2013-08-10.html

One of the five children of a mining worker, Nusret Gökçe .. Faik Şahhenk Secondary School due to financial impossibilities, he took to the slaughter of knife eline meat. He took his last salary and went to Argentina, and when he changed he rewrote his butchery book. It's on the way to London now, after the branches it opened afterwards.

Nusret Gökçe, Nusret, the most frequented place of the White Turkish colony, especially the residents of Etiler, told the leader Sarıahmetoğlu about the success story from the evening.

Sais it :
 * Where does it say he is not Kurdish? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * It doesn't. On the other hand, this is quite explicit right in the headline: "Meşhur Nusret Kürt çıktı!" - "The famous Nusret is Kurdish!" It goes on to quote relatives on how they're all Kurdish. Huon (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Move Kurdish origin in the early life section
move Kurdish origin in the early life section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:98A:C100:924F:A576:2378:7947:6D9A (talk) 19:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Alleged political displays
I can't see any indication in the sources that the subject is making deliberate political displays in the Castro or Maduro incidents.Blitzcream (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Placing this back. Please receive consensus before removing this again. The wording does not assume "political displays", it only states that his actions surrounding political leaders has received criticism. Does the wording say that he is supporting or denouncing a leader? No. What it states is the actions he made and the response those actions.ZiaLater ( talk ) 03:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * THere is no direct critiscism of Gökçe in the sources you cite. There is no indication he makes meaningful political statements in any form. He's a restauranteur serving an (admittedly high profile) customer dinner.Blitzcream (talk) 21:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * That is why I changed the wording. The actions he made were not a "political statement", but he was criticized in multiple outlets which is notable. Whether or not it is a political statement does not matter. The information is properly sourced and should be included. Thank you for discussing this.ZiaLater ( talk ) 22:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Maduro is criticised. I don't see direcr criticism of Gökçe in the sources.Blitzcream (talk) 03:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Read this quote from the Reuters article:
 * "On social media, Venezuelans shared mocked-up images showing Gokce doing his trade-mark salt sprinkle pose above a skeletal child"
 * Not sure if you missed this, but this is a fairly strong denouncement against Gökçe's actions. The CNN article also mentions the movement by Rubio to contact Gökçe or his restaurant. Additional sources will be provided and this will finally be placed back in the article. Further whitewashing will not be tolerated and may result in WP:ANI actions.ZiaLater ( talk ) 20:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Wording
I want to get the wording correct for you so we can stop the edit warring. It is a fact that both Maduro and Gökçe were criticized for their actions. How would we word this? Please provide some sort of suggestion.

I will tell you why I included that wording that was presented:

"In September 2018, both Gökçe and the president of Venezuela Nicolás Maduro were criticized for their actions displayed at his Istanbul restaurant while Venezuelans suffered from shortages and a socioeconomic crisis"

First we will look at the "In September 2018, both Gökçe and the president of Venezuela Nicolás Maduro were criticized for their actions" part. Both Gökçe and Maduro were criticized. That is a fact according to reliable, notable sources. Second, is this portion that states "while Venezuelans suffered from shortages and a socioeconomic crisis". This was added to inform the reader why they were both crticized for their actions.

Again, please reply with some sort of suggestion because I am not seeing an issue with the inclusion of this content.ZiaLater ( talk ) 13:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

No where in this article does it make any serious critique about this individual
It actually states in this article that this guy spent less than three years getting "experience" to open a restaurant.

He then became an internet sensation for the way he carved and salted the meat.

Doesn't anyone else think that this is all very weak for a guy who now charges hundreds of bucks to eat at his Dubai steakhouse?

Seriously my uncle ate at one of his places and he said the steak he had was terrible. The trick he noted was they carve the meats with super razor sharp knives so it looks tender. Until you eat it.

He said he when he ate Kobe wagu in Japan it was half the price and really did melt in the mouth.

If this was a sensible article, it would actually make a critical assessment of the subject rather than just regurgitating social quotes and PR stuff planted in the media.86.129.0.51 (talk) 20:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Lawsuit in court
The restaurateur's lawyers, Nusret Gökçe, went before the federal court, claiming that a Swiss food company is stealing its trademark from Nusret. A Swiss food business operator has been entered in the trademark register with the name “Nusr-Et”. This did not suit the Kurdish-Turkish restaurateur, Nusret Gökçe. He believes that this name, like the logo, is his. However, the court ruled to the disadvantage of the celebrity chef's lawyers. The reason for the decision was that those who do not have social media channels hardly know the restaurateur. He has not yet arrived in Switzerland. This was reported by the “Zürichsee-Zeitung”. Avestaboy (talk) 22:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Kurdish
Why did you remove this sourced content about him being Kurdish? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC) Perhaps discuss here. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Because he is not. That article you cited is fake. Have you not seen all the photos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcanb (talk • contribs)
 * How are the articles fake? I didn't cite them this is a collaborative encyclopedia. What photos are you talking about? The ones from the Ensonhaber article or the Rudaw one? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thats not good enough. One video shows a bunch of random kurds claiming he is one, next video he is with Turks on facetime. What is the purpose of that article, you cited the same thing twice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcanb (talk • contribs)
 * Please don't revert or make another edit until we have gained consensus. How are they not good enough? And even if they are not good enough that is a different thing to being fake. As per WP:TOOMANYREFS A good rule of thumb is that, except for certain controversial topics, one footnote after a sentence is almost always sufficient. Two or three may be a good way of preventing linkrot for online sources or providing a range of sources that support the fact, but more than three should usually be avoid;, if you are asking why their is two citations to support the same claim. What do you mean by "you cited", when did I cite anything? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:30, 26 October 2017

You have put two news articles. One which is fake, the other which is highlighting the fake one. Its the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcanb (talk • contribs)
 * You have violated WP:3RR. Please revert your edit back to the consensus version. What do you mean I have put two news articles? You removed them. How is one fake? Where does the other highlight the fake one? I have said that multiple citations can be used to support the same claim. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you read the above? If so then please reply and/or restore the consensus version. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you care to weigh in on this "discussion", or were you just reverting the consensus version? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I just happened to see that continued their edit war, so I reverted. I should of course have looked at the talk page. My contribution to the "discussion" (with your aptly placed quote marks) would be: 1) Kurdish origin is sourced. 2) An Instagram picture is not a reliable source for ethnicity. 3) The Turkish flag is the flag of Turkey, not only of Turkish people. --T*U (talk) 16:27, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

help
please can someone remove kurdish origin he is actually turkish and he has been ever since he posted a picture with turkish flag and he said he is proud to be turkish.

source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.206.161 (talk)
 * Being proud to be Turkish doesn't mean he is not of Kurdish origin. There's a significant Kurdish population in Turkey, which makes those Kurds also Turks. Do you have a source explicitly stating he isn't Kurdish? Huon (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

He is a Kurd from the Village Paşalı ( kurdish Berdîk) in Şenkaya ( kurdish Bardîz) in the District Erzurum Avestaboy (talk) 23:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Net worth
As of today net worth of his food chain is around $1 billion US dollars. Reference - instagram Wikifreak007x (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Ethnicity
In your edit summary, you write You do not have the right to make changes without a valid reason. Well, I have given a valid reason in my edit summaries, but I can repeat it here.

First of all, I do not contest that Salt Bae is of Kurdish ancestry. On the contrary, I have several times reverted attempts to remove that information from the section "Personal life". However, whether this shall be mentioned in the lead section (the introduction of the article) is quite another matter.

In my edit summaries, I have repeatedly referred to WP:ETHNICITY, which is part of the Wikipedia guideline WP:Manual of Style/Biography. You have also been adviced in your talk page about reading this guideline, but since you obviously have not read it or perhaps not understood it, I will quote it here: Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.

I will try to explain the reason for this rule. The lead section is what most people will read, so it should present the most important information about the topic of the article. When the topic is a person, like here, the lede should tell who the person is and why the person is notable enough to have an article in an encyclopedia. The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. Salt Bae is notable for being a butcher/chef/restaurateur. His ethnicity (or religion or sexuality or whatever) is not notable, so it has nothing to do in the lead.

Wikipedia is a community project, where editors co-operate in order to improve the encyclopedic value of articles. When there is a disagreement about what to write or how to write it, the proper way to solve it is to use the talk page of the article to discuss in order to reach a consensus, see WP:CONSENSUS. After you erroneously accused me of vandalism, the administrator who declined your report, asked you in your user talk page to make your case here in the article talk page. Instead, you just reinserted your preferred version. That is called edit war, see WP:EDITWAR, and is one of the most common reasons for editors being blocked from editing.

I will give you the chance to self revert before joining this discussion. I also strongly advice you to make yourself acquainted with the Wikipedia rules I have linked to above. --T*U (talk) 06:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article: where does his nickname "Bae" come from, what does it mean, and who gave it to him? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2021
I would recommend the removal of the accusation that Rubio "doxxed" the miami restaurant, seeing as how the contact information for the restaurant is publicly available information, and thus does NOT constitute doxxing. 69.126.204.195 (talk) 04:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Reworded, removed word doxxing which neither source uses WikiVirusC (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Should be Salt Bey
This entire article has the wrong heading. He is Turkish. Anyone who knows even a small amount of Turkish knows that "bey" is used after a (given) name in a similar way to "mister" is used before a (family) name in English. The fact that so many others use the spelling from a stupid English slang does not mean that Wikipedia, which claims to want to get things right, should do so. The slang "bae" doesn't even make any sense in the context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.69.152.128 (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia uses the name which is most commonly used in English sources. Google search for "Salt Bae" gets 3.2 million hits, while a search for "Salt Bey" gets about 19,000, not all of which are even about this person. His own Facebook page uses the spelling "Salt Bae". So if the person himself and the vast majority of sources use the "Bae" spelling, that is what Wikipedia should use. CodeTalker (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Confirm legitimacy of NY Post article?
Someone added a reference to a supposed controversy from an NY Post article about this man's restaurant hiring a chef for twelve euros an hour. I haven't seen any coverage from more well-respected, non-tabloid websites. NYP cites DailyMail, another tabloid with journalistic aspirations. NYP has a poor rating for factual reporting. DailyMail cites an ad on caterer.com, but anyone can take out an ad on that website for $165. There's no reaction from the company owned by "Salt Bae," or any indication that I've seen that they know about the accusation or have been contacted by any of these tabloid papers. Seems like the reference in the article with citation is creating undue traffic for NYP. I'd recommend it be removed until an actual controversy is established. A paper writing a short article doesn't necessarily make the situation a controversy. Please also be aware that this is a biography of a living person, and promoting unsubstantiated claims is strictly prohibited. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 11:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I removed the link and mention. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Amffy restored my changes without hitting the undo button. I have once again removed their link to a tabloid website and description of the dubious controversy. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 23:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Tmorw manually restored the changes without discussion. I've removed the link again. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)