Talk:Salvia officinalis/Archive 1

Hallucinogenic uses
salvia Divinorum is also used as a Hallucinogen: http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2002/powerful-hallucinogen-salvia.html

this isnt salvia divinorum, thats something different.

Image
I'd love to add the picture Image:SageLeaves.jpg to an article, but I'm not exactly sure what genus/species it is. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks! tiZom(2¢) 05:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

yes.. but this isn't salvia divinorum.. its salvia oficinalis...

Usage
I've removed a small para of uses which is uncited - and it reads like it was copied from a product's list. The only generalised reference for the article (1) was not cited in text for any of these and remained vague as to proven verifiable claims.

I would be interested in seeing some more stuff on its contraindications during pregnancy, however - I have heard pregnant friends from various cultures/countries tell me they found the very smell of it anathema when they were expecting. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

French cuisine
Elizabeth David stated in her books (French Provincial Cooking, Summer Cooking are the two I have to hand) that the French do not care for the culinary flavour of sage - unlike the Italians and the British. In fact, I can't find any classic French recipes (whether haute, artisan or peasant) which use the herb as an essential part of the flavouring. What sources can be cited for traditional French cuisine using it? I would think it is neglible to the point where it is inaccurate to state that it is part of the national cuisine. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Sage burning
Many people burn sage in the home for its "cleansing" effects, whether for the smell or its supposed spiritual qualities. But is this healthy? Does the smoke create carcinogens? What are its effects on former smokers? This information might be included in the article. JohnClarknew (talk) 16:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

burning anything will produce carcinogens. even the black parts on toast are carcinogenic, stop worrying about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.65.111 (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Moving page
"Salvia officinalis" is by far more widely used than the terms "Common sage" or "Garden sage". Using the unscientific Ghits, "Salvia officinalis" receives 732,000 to "Common sage"s 26,000 and "Garden sage"s 40,000. Google Scholar gives even more convincing results, while Google Books also proves the point. This page should be moved to "Salvia officinalis" unless there is evidence otherwise. First Light (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course it's more common than "common sage" or "garden sage" since the plant is ordinarily called "sage," period. Of course, as the dab page demonstrates, there's many other usages of sage, but "Sage (herb)" would seem to me the best name for the page. Chuck (talk) 17:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

List of cultivars shows bias?
Here is a jewel from the current article:
 * 'Purpurascens', a purple-leafed cultivar, considered by some to be strongest of the garden sages,

because it is more powerful than a locomotive or it can leap tall buildings in a single bound? Or how strong is it? If this sage really is this strong, I will add these qualities to the article, ok? I like to saw logs! (talk) 09:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I applied some kryptonite, and those words just wilted away, oddly enough. First Light (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Origin
Salvia officinalis was NOT introduced by Romans to Europe from Egypt. The reference is old. It is native to Balkans and Italy. Check Flora of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.222.32.38 (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You are right about that being an old source, and probably unreliable. Missouri Botanical Garden gives "Mediterranean (Iberia and Balkans) and northern Africa" as the native range. This academic source gives the native range as "southern Europe and Asia Minor." Obviously, a plant that has been used by humans for such a long time will be hard to pinpoint to a narrow range, so I'm guessing that those high quality sources are giving the wider range of possibility. Does anyone else have high quality and modern sources for the native range? First Light (talk) 19:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * According to The Med-Checklist (A critical inventory of vascular plants of the circum-mediterranean countries) the native range of this species is Albania, Greece, Italy and ex Jugoslavia. It is naturalised elsewhere.178.222.18.210 (talk) 13:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)