Talk:Sam & Max Save the World/Archive 1

Page move
What do people think about moving this page to "Sam & Max (computer game series)" or "Sam & Max (game series)"? I don't think "(computer game)" is appropriate given the way these games will be released - they're meant to be analagous to a TV series but in game form. This will be a "game series" in the same way that Lost or 24 are "TV series". Neilka 10:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Though in purpose the comparison to television series is corrent, it's confusing because when you refer to a computer/video game series its implied there are sequels (i.e. Sam and Max 1, followed by S&M 2, followed by S&M 3, etc.), while that confusion doesn't apply to TV (the Star Trek series of series not applying here). Episodic gaming more implies each chapter is a component of a full game, the way Telltale's Bone game is going to end up with 9 episodes or when it's done, but it'll be considered one complete piece. At this point, I'm not even sure if Sam and Max Season 1 will only refer to the first released episode, or the first set of episodes, as the word "season" would imply.


 * It's already kind of confusing what with the first game and the canceled game (which would've been its direct sequel) having their own entries. I think its best to stick with the current (computer game) title. Changing to "game series" might confuse those thinking of the LucasArts games, so it might even be better if later on down the line it's changed to (2006), or (Telltale).


 * Might want to wait until the game is released anyway, just in case they may extend or change the title(s) of the game. --SevereTireDamage 19:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * How about "Sam & Max (season one)," as that's how Telltale Games is referring to it (and is how the finished "full game" will most likely be titled if all episodes are bound together in a retail release)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.186.106 (talk • contribs)


 * The page title "Season One" may confuse other WP readers with the Sam & Max television series. --SevereTireDamage 03:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How about Sam & Max Season One then? The lack of parentheses would be much more clear imho. // Gargaj 22:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How about Sam & Max (Episodic Game) or Sam & Max Episode One (Episodic Game)? - 81.178.71.255 17:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wii
Added info about telltale brining the title to the Wii.Vegasjon 22:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Dogs?
Is including Sam & Max in WikiProject Dogs really appropriate? Or does WikiProject Dogs include any and all fictional stories which include a dog? I mean, I think it's an entertaining inclusion, but... Ja2ke 17:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Snoopy is in WikiProject Dogs too, so I assume they decided to include cartoon dogs as well. GamerErman2001 00:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Page Merging
Someone suggested merged the individual episode pieces into the main article since the only real thing in them is a plot synopsis, and I agree with that, since there is plenty of character reuse and the like, and each episode being rather short as to have little need for their own pages (If, later, the plot synopsis weigh the page down, I suggest those can be split into one additional single page). --Masem 14:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone opposed? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. Maratanos 18:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see anyone against it, and makes perfect sense to me. I'll prep the main page for it. --Masem 18:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes sense Technitai 14:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Against. The pages stand well alone with the synopsis and trivia - merging would make it a huge messy page. If any given TV series are allowed to have separate episode pages, then these should too, especially because these are separate computer games (never mind they're episodic) // Gargaj 11:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Im strongly against it. 1st, every TV series episode have its own article. 2nd, each "episode" of "Sam & Max season one" is in fact a stand alone game with its own story. (although its somehow linked with other stories) 3rd, there is no guarantee the game serie will end in the "season one". We should instead take out the episode's plots from this article and place a one-paragraph resume + link of each game. (the same way in TV series format)  SSPecter talk &spades;  17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Again I note that individual pages for TV episodes is not recommended except for certain important episodes. And while each episode is it's own game, it is impossible to buy an individual episode: either you subscribe to Gametap and get it, or you buy the whole season from Telltale and get each episode as it comes down the pipe.  This is very different from, say, Half-Life 2 episodes, which you can buy separately and come with a lot more content.
 * I do agree that if there are subsequent seasons, and the plot was on the first page, it would be a problem, but my suggestion has been to have a plot/reference page per season (not per episode). Heck, this current page is season one, if there is a season two, we'll need to make a page for that.  But right now, those individual episode pages are doing very little that couldn't be more effective as a single page to avoid pagecruft. --Masem 23:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why the problem of having 1 article for each episode/game. And I think creating 1 season per season a little strange. I don't think there is any other article like this (1 season per article). People would want to merge it. Besides, this article already got inflated when the plots was here (of the completed episodes). About the name of this article being season one, it was only changed because the previous name "Sam & Max (computer game)" was confusing (because there is other Sam & Max game and because it is a serie and not a game. See the section here about the comments). We could just change the name again to "Sam & max series (Computer games)", "Telltale's Sam & Max (Computer game)" or something like that.  SSPecter talk &spades;  01:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC).


 * If you see in their site, they are selling the episodes separated.  SSPecter  talk &spades;  01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

In fact, _GOD_ it looks like a mess already. The plots should be split out to the various subpages, and there's no need for the character bios (especially this vague), when there's already a bunch at Sam & Max. The trivia also should be stripped down and spread out into the subpages. Seriously, do NOT merge, they are separate games and should be treated as separate entities, and besides, it will ruin the article quality.// Gargaj 12:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * All of the individual episode trivia is the type frowned upon by WP:Trivia and even if you keep the 'obvious' ones (eg Embarassing Idol == American Idol), those should be contained in the article. When you do that, each 'episode' is now only a synopsis and a plot, which isn't itself worthy of an article.
 * Additionally, from the WikiProject Television, you're only supposed to break out special/noteworthy episodes, not every single episode. The same should apply here even with episode content.  However, as with the same guidelines, the episode list/plot should be made into it's own page, which likely should end up happening here as well. --Masem 13:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd be opposed to the merge as well. The episode articles currently stand very well on their own, and as the plots are only superficially related. Also, while TV series generally have tens of episodes per season, Sam & Max only has five &mdash; having too little content/information per episode is unlikely to become a problem. -- intgr 23:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There are two pieces of incorrect information in this thread. The episodes are available individually and are distributed wholly as separate games, through Telltale Games' site for $8.95 per episode. Second, there are six episodes, not five. The title of the sixth just hasn't been released yet so nobody has made an article. That all said, I woundn't be opposed to consolidating, as long as there was also a summary article as suggested a couple times already. 69.109.246.164 03:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, since pretty much all the content from the episode pages is now on the main page except the plot summary, I've removed that content from the episode pages. I'd be personally for having two articles, one for Season One, and then another article called Plot Synopsis of Sam & Max Season One or something. If someone has a really good reason why this shouldn't be, feel free to share and I'll consider it. But we definately don't need the redundant information on the Episode pages. Maratanos 19:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So you just removed all episode-specific trivia? -- intgr 17:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sufficient quantities were already on the main page... If you think it's a better idea to remove all trivia from the main page and put it all on episode pages, feel free. But the way it was was needlessly redundant.  Maratanos 22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the merger has been proposed for over a month and it seems overwhelming opposition to it, i figured it would be best to remove the merger tags from the pages now. Put them back if it's necessary, but noone seems to want them merged. - Count23 03:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Max
Max shouldn't be referred to as a rabbit. Max should be referred to as a "hyperkinetic rabbity thing", except when Max refers to himself (in that case he describes himself as a lagomorph). I'm making this change (and, yes, this is important). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.240.114 (talk)

Proposed move
I propose that this article be moved to "Sam & Max (video game series)". The reason is that any multi-season tv show doesn't have a separate article for every season, and there is very likely a Season Two in the works (back on March 6 planning was underway, and they've since talked about it on the forums, though they haven't made an official announcement yet). If you're wondering why "video game series" instead of "computer game series", it's because "video game" is now the preferred term on wikipedia; all of the "video and computer game" categories were renamed to "video game" a little while ago.

Please say whether you support or oppose this suggestion. Reasons would be nice as well. :) Esn 03:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support: I've always felt we should handle this article like a TV series article, as the games have more in common with them than other videogames. Quoth 14:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, but after we have more confirmation of a Season 2. I agree that the article should be set up more like a TV show than a video game due to the episodic nature with distinct boundary lines between episodes. --Masem 00:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose: An increasing number of television shows on Wiki do have pages for each season (I can name 24 and Lost off the top of my head). Further, given the Upright Citizens Brigade-like structure to the series, it would be somewhat necessary that the reader of the page have this separate page to understand the point of each episode and how it ties into the final episode.  I would support it if we had a separate "List of Episodes" page. Brokenwit 07:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hugh Bliss=Hubris?
I'm assuming the villain's name is a play on the word hubris, which is plausible, given the villain's nature. Any proof of this, or can I add on whim? Brokenwit 07:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Despite it being fairly obvious, it's still speculation (eg, you could also read it as "Hue bliss", so which way is intended is unknown). Basically, it would need a citation if it were to be added. --Masem 12:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hugh/Hue Bliss most likely equates more to Hugh's own phrase, "Multicolored Happiness," more than it does to "Hubris," but I don't think the secondary meaning was unintentional. The "hubris" pun has been brought up a few times on Telltale's forums, but hasn't been addressed by the developers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.186.106 (talk)

Release Date for Dreamcatcher's version?
It says the release date for Dreamcatcher Games (The Adventure Company) is August 28th. But just yesterday I got it at Best Buy! Also why is it claims October but in the article August? GamerErman2001 23:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Publisher
According to ESRB, the publisher is Dreamcatcher Interactive Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.240.159 (talk) 02:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You are correct in a limited scope. Dreamcatcher Interactive / JoWooD are the publishers for the North American and Europe retail boxes of the Season respectively. However, the original distributions were co-published by GameTap and Telltale Games. The ESRB ratting only applies to titles which are distributed though retail stores, but not required for distributions over the Internet. Seg 20:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but should it be added? 24.18.240.159 03:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason why they can't be added to the infobox under the Publishers section, as long as they're tagged with (Retail), so they're not confused with the digital distributors. &mdash; EagleOne\Talk 16:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Season Two
Would be useful to link / mention Sam & Max Season Two. I know theres a tiny link at the bottom, but would be nice to mention it somewhere in the main page :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.121.140.105 (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)