Talk:Sam Denby

Page Move
Trying to change the name to refer the person rather than the channel. Do I need to delete the page first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Overcomplicator (talk • contribs) 18:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because I intend to write about the person rather than the channel, who is still to some degree influential (in excess of 1 million subscribers on YouTube). The reason that this page contains the channel name is that I was originally editing a page about the channel which I felt was going against Wikipedia's policies. I intend to change the name of the page to "Sam Denby" as that is what the page should be about. However as I started with a page that was named after the YouTube name the page regrettably has a name that it should not have. I do not have enough prior experience in Wikipedia articles to know whether a title can be changed or not. If it can be changed I will change it as soon as possible, however if it cannot be changed then I request that it be removed so that I can create a new page which is more in line with Wikipedia's policies. --Overcomplicator (talk) 23:10, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is being worked on. The page used to be about an influential channel on YouTube, however I am changing it to be more about the person behind the channel instead, and what is known about him. As he is a significant personality on the platform I feel that a page about him is justified, as long as it doesn't advertise the channel.--Overcomplicator (talk) 23:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... a channel with over a million subscribers is worth a wikipedia page, because there are pages about much smaller creators  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koohikoo (talk • contribs) 23:48, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

“Cars = the worst method of transportation”?
In this part of the video “Why Berlin's 15 Year-Old Airport has Never Had a Flight”, he says: "cars—the worst method of transportation (don’t @ me.)"

He claims something without explaining it. I actually consider it the most practical and personal method method of transportation. It has more equipment (e.g. power outlets, multimedia, space, etc.) for the individual, is more customizable (one can manually add equipment), in one's own control (instead of following a standard schedule), and a theft-free, pensioner-free private space. (There is no “best” method of transportation, it depends on many factors for a specific usage.) But why does he believe cars are the worst method of transportation? For practical or environmental reasons? (I guess the latter, but I am not sure.) ––Chanc20190325 (talk) 11:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)


 * In the previous sentence he was talking about the airport being inspected so that parts of it do not collapse and kill people. After that he says "That is the job of cars, the worst method of transportation." Hence, he claimed cars are the worst method of transportation due to the fact that they are the most unsafe method of transportation. --Consci1 (talk) 12:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I see. --Chanc20190325 (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Jet Lag
I think we should make a new article for Jet Lag since it is out of the scope of what he usually does. Seaotter26705 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * It doesn't pass notability, unless more reliable sources exist outside of and . —  PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 20:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We can do that if there are enough sources to cover it. I'm not sure that there are though. -- Cosmic (talk) 21:04, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OK what about now? It's grown greatly. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No. It fails the general notability guideline, based off the sources in the article. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 00:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been so long there are far more sources on it. It's episodes are even in a separate list so why should they get the article instead? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Please list the sources you are referring to. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 02:01, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't have any but they could be found easily I'm sure. Making a new topic. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 13:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't create articles based on the assumption of sources. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 16:41, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Somebody needs to make a list, and then we can figure out if it's enough to do an article spilt. 2601:344:4102:EE0:D5E8:ABB2:644C:3D1 (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Came here to point out a new source, from Variety magazine: https://variety.com/2023/streaming/news/jet-lag-season-7-finale-winner-ben-sam-adam-nebula-1235741021/ 2607:8400:26C2:2:8059:C8A1:9770:BF48 (talk) 21:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree especially given the cope of the series and how frequently they occur 2A00:23C8:AC4:A201:D4F6:3FC1:7DDB:4B6A (talk) 19:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

First Source Behind Paywall
The first source is behind a paywall/subscription wall, would someone be able to add a tag to that? I'm unsure of how to do that for a reference. TheManInTheBlackHat  (Talk)  03:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅&mdash; FYI, in the future you may review the details of a template, e.g.: by referring to its page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: cite web.    WurmWoode  T   02:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Split
Well Jet Lag is far more notable now, should we split it? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 13:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Once you have Reliable Sources showing it's notability (like mentioned), then you should feel free to start a draft. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Meh. Just because one could do something, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do.  This article is not in danger of being overwhelmed with text about Jet Lag the Game.  Unless and until that looks like it will be a problem, there's no harm in keeping Wikipedia's coverage of the information here.  If a redirect exists, it's as good as anywhere to cover it.  When it becomes to look like this article is mainly about Jet Lag, then it might be worth splitting out into its own article.  -- Jayron 32 14:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Eventually. The episodes once had their own page. Might as well go into further detail. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 16:01, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Seasons table
Yesterday I added a season overview table for the Jet Lag series. This has now been removed because "the seasons table has been removed before. there isn't consensus for its inclusion, find consensus on talk first". I wasn't aware there had been a seasons table before, I had never seen nor edited the Sam Denby page before. There's also nothing on this talk page about a table so I don't know how the conclusion regarding consensus has been reached either way. I only added a table because I though it was useful.

Anyway, there's nothing on MOS:TVOVERVIEW about criteria for inclusion of a season table. Some points I'd like to make: Mtcv (talk) 08:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess MOS:TVOVERVIEW is about TV programmes rather than online releases, but the template explicitly allows online programmes, so that shouldn't be a factor.
 * I agree there are currently not enough sources for making Jet Lag its own page, but are season tables only allowed on programmes' own pages? Jet Lag has its own section here and I can't find anything disallowing a season table as part of a page section.
 * Scouring through the history, I noticed that the "seasons table [that] has been removed before" was a standalone page, which included episodes. I agree that's a bit excessive if there's no separate Jet Lag article.
 * But in my opinion, a season overview table (without episodes) as part of this page should be fine and adds some structured information to the text.


 * This is what I was referring to: (added, later removed by ) and  (added, later removed by me). In my opinion, it is terribly off-topic to have a seasons chart of the show in a biography of Sam Denby. I would agree with you more if there was an article about the show. A reminder, Wikipedia doesn't include everything just because it is verifiable or true. As well, Jet Lag is primarily a YouTube webseries, not a properly funded published show, so I find it kind of arbitrary to have a seasons table for this series. —  PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 02:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a spurious argument that it's "primarily a YouTube webseries", which is entirely irrelevant. The medium, who makes it, how it is funded, none of that matters.  What matters is what we can find to support a stand-alone article.  There's plenty of examples of YouTube webseries that have enough reliable sources to support stand-alone articles, with episode synopses.  Hot Ones, a YouTube only webseries, was nominated twice for Emmy awards even.  The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, another YouTube only webseries, actually won an Emmy, a decade ago, so it's hardly surprising that people take YouTube series as serious media.  They have for a long time.  Whether or not Jet Lag: The Game merits a stand-alone article (and the extra space to put in things like episode synopses tables, and all of that) is probably still up for discussion, but being a YouTube webseries is really irrelevant.  -- Jayron 32 11:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fair. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 13:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Crime Spree
Should probably mention the 3 episode pre-season to jet lag the game that aired exclusively on nebula in the jet lag section https://nebula.tv/haicrimespree 69.111.180.217 (talk) 01:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)