Talk:Sam Fuld/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * lead
 * I'm not seeing citations for middle name or DOB
 * Added.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Place of birth shouldn't be in the lead per MOS:BIO
 * Fixed. Hey  Mid  (contribs) 10:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What on earth does batting .600 mean? Don't assume that your reader is familiar with baseball
 * I've added an inline citation to the relevant wp article.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ditto "All American"
 * Ditto.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The lead is supposed to be a summary of the body, so this one seems a bit short for the length of the article
 * Lead expanded.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * PL
 * Why is there a quote mark at the end of Instead of carrying around the typical teddy bear or worn-down baby blanket when he was young, he carried a book of baseball stats with him all the time, like a security blanket."?
 * Fixed. Quote mark was apparently mistaken. Hey  Mid  (contribs) 10:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Diabetes
 * also had Type 1 diabetes, but at the time hid the fact that he had it is pretty terrible prose
 * Agreed. Fixed.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * College
 * You need a ref for that first paragraph
 * Fixed.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * One- or two-sentence paragraphs are discouraged and should be combined into other paragraphs
 * "Fixed" many ... let me know if what I've done was not sufficient.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Minor leagues
 * The short paragraphs and al the quote boxes all over the place make this section look quite untidy
 * "Fixed" many ... let me know if what I've done was not sufficient.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The injuries he suffered in 2004 suggests the reader has been told about the injuries before, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned elsewhere
 * It is mentioned in the preceding section that covers his college years ("Diving for a ball in the outfield in his second-to-last game in college, he broke his shoulder, tore his torn labrum, and partially tore his rotator cuff"), but I've also now smoothed out the text.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is All Winter League Team in bold?
 * Good catch. Fixed.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Major leagues
 * Three headers without any content between them looks quite odd
 * I believe this follows an accepted format on baseball articles (Major leagues/team/year, with entries made under the "year" sections; I've worked on a few baseball GAs that use that format).


 * The rest of the first paragraph under 2007 needs referencing
 * Done.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * More short paragraphs making it look untidy
 * "Fixed" many ... let me know if what I've done was not sufficient.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Fuld did not make the Cubs' 25-man playoff roster is unsourced
 * Ref added.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC) [And then sentence deleted ... at this point, it is less notable than when it was originally added]--Epeefleche (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You've got passages and direct quotes in the 2008 section that are unsourced
 * I believe those have now all been addressed.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Recognition and awards
 * Is this unsourced or are all these in the body?
 * All in the body.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * References
 * You've got a few dead links
 * Addressed (I believe).


 * Inconsistent linking of publishers and publications
 * Addressed (I believe).


 * All publications should be in italics
 * Addressed (I believe).


 * MLB.com or mlb.com? Pick one and stick with it
 * Fixed.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * A few bare URLs
 * Fixed.


 * ELs
 * That's a big link farm. What's the purpose of all those links?
 * Moved most ELs out of EL section and into text.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll stick this on hold to give you a chance to work on it. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As an aside, would you be able to do a source check on this article? The main contributor has a copyright investigation open so I want to make sure the article's clean. It should be, but can't hurt to check. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 18:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, I'll check when work starts on the above. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

My 2¢ It's a well written comprehensive article overall. I previously raised a question about the use of quotes, though. Quotes relating to his overcoming the obstacles of diabetes and his small stature are okay, but I wonder about the usefulness of quotes like "He's fearless", a quote box for a random nickname that doesn't seem important, and the comments by Santo, Piniella and Hendry. Of course Hendry and Piniella will speak highly of their own player. How useful do we all think these quotes are? – Muboshgu (talk) 14:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Piniella, certainly, will not necessarily speak highly of his player. But if the comment is just "I think he is a good ballplayer" -- then it is worthless.  If it identifies what distinguishes him, then it is of value, as different ballplayers bring different attributes to the table, and what their management views as their notable attributes is of note, and not always discernible in statistics and the like.  BTW -- one thing that we should add in is the Dick Fuld connection.--Epeefleche (talk) 14:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right that Piniella can be a critical guy, and these comments may distinguish Fuld from another player, but I felt I should raise the comment. Also, I noticed a piece of odd prose on closer inspection so in the next day or so I'll give it a more thorough sweep.  What's the Dick Fuld connection? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Second cousins, I believe ... I read somewhere.  When I have a chance, I'll look for the ref and toss it in, unless you beat me to it. [I've now updated the article w/the fact and supporting ref].  Interesting family -- his Mom has an article, his Dad might well qualify for one, and his second cousin is a major (and highly controversial) personality in the world of finance.  Reminds me of Larry Summers in that sense, who also has a highly notable extended family.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the article seems to overuse quotes and there are a lot of quote boxes—perhaps we could trim some of the less important ones? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed; deleted some quotes and other text entirely (as they are less notable now than they were at the time they were added), and moving some quote boxes into text.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments as of 4/3/11
It's good to see that progress is being made. There are still a few points that need to be addressed. Most notably, the lead is still too short to be a real summary and we still have a lot of short paragraphs as well as the quotes I mentioned above. We also have the matter of the link farm, which is still far too long—most should be incorporated into references or removed—and dead links. It's getting there, but there's a way to go yet. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe it is ready for GA, subject to your review and approval.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Pass
Excellent work. Although the issues were mostly minor, there is a noticeable difference between where we started and where we've ended up. I'm going to pass this, since I'm content that it meets the GA criteria, but I still think the lead could do with being padded out a little more. Nice work, though. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)