Talk:Sam Hyde/Archive 1

Starship Troopers
Was sam hyde ACTUALLY even in Starship Troopers? He wouldve been 13 at the time which leads me to believe that his role as a soldier didnt happen, and that it's vandalism. I need actual confirmation that sam was in Starship Troopers or else it'll have to be removed

--Bitsnake420 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2016
Can someone change "He attended Carnegie Mellon University, and after one year transferred to the Rhode Island School of Design and graduated in 2006 with a Bachelor of Arts in Film, Animation and Video." to "He attended Carnegie Mellon University, and after one year transferred to the Rhode Island School of Design, where he graduated in 2006 with a Bachelor of Arts in Film, Animation, and Video."?

"And" is used too much in that sentence in my opinion.

Porquilho (talk) 16:31, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Murderer?
Either someone needs to explain how a member of this "Million Dollar Extreme" group is a mass murderer, or we need a new article. 68.156.95.34 (talk) 08:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You misread the article. The Million Dollar Extreme fans are known for calling Sam Hyde a mass murderer or a terrorist whenever such a thing occurs.Sam Hyde himself is not a mass murderer or terrorist. Its an inside joke made by his fans, and it has caused him to appear as the potential perpetrator of quite a few terrorist attacks, even getting him mentioned on the news. --Bitsnake420 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * At the time of him writing that, the page was vandalized. It claimed Sam was a literal mass murder. 51.37.38.145 (talk) 06:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Aliases
It's worth listing some of the other names Hyde goes by considering 'Sam Hyde' is a stage name. He has also performed under the pseudonym of Dark Child and Peanut Arbuckle and this should be listed in parenthesis. 121.220.59.244 (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Sam Hyde's TEDx talk a hoax?
The paragraph on Sam Hyde's TEDx Talk should probably be moved out of the hoaxes section, maybe into the biography section, seeing as how it's not really a hoax related to Sam Hyde. Ryonne (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Notability
Is Sam Hyde really notable enough to warrant his own article? Near everything he's done has been with Million Dollar Extreme.

I'd argue that this page be merged with the main MDE page along with Charls Carroll and Nick Rochefort. While the aforementioned don't have articles, the main page should have sections on them regardless. 51.37.27.56 (talk) 10:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * He's definitely notable enough for his own page. Most of his antics reported in the media aren't even in conjunction with his comedy troupe (i.e, 2070 Paradigm Shift), so I think this article should be here to stay, especially in light of far less noted people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solntsa90 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

If every individual Pokemon is notable enough for its own article so are most of these people you nerds love to remove for whatever reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.214.26.181 (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * For future reference, please refrain from name-calling, and see Other stuff exists for why it's not a good argument for the existence of this article. (That said, the user above has already pointed out the actual reason why this article should remain.) V2Blast (talk) 23:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Is the middle name "Whitcomb" confirmed
There apears to be an image of his drivers license that he posted to Facebook where where is name is "Salmon Kingsbread Hyde" 24.150.107.172 (talk) 21:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism all over
Is Hyde's grandfather really Himmler? Doesn't seem likely. Has he been "correctly" identified as committing several killing sprees? No, that should read "incorrectly". And so on. This is a mess, and needs semi-protection at minimum because it's clearly going to get vandalized again if I fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.42.21 (talk) 00:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

His Hatreon page states he hates based on color
https://hatreon.us/BigPumpkinXXX/

"This is legit Samuel Hyde here ready to spew illogical hatred for no other reason than skin color. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.84.184.229 (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Height issue?
Hyde's height can't seem to be accurately verified. A few claims are that he's 5'4" and others say he's 6'4". I've found no reliable sources to prove his height, and the reference provided links to an Instagram post which only confirms Hyde's weight. I've stopped reverting edits to the height and I'm wondering if anyone has a reliable source to verify either claim? Thanks. Tdts5 (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if it can be reliable sourced it shouldn't be in the infobox. Height param is only supposed to be used if the person is notable for their height or it's relevant to their notability (e.g. an athlete.) Strongjam (talk) 23:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like I misunderstood, this wasn't about the info box. It's still not relevant to his biography. It's just trivia cruft. Strongjam (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

CNN - SAM HYDE
CNN has previously falsely reported Sam Hyde to be behind mass shootings, just today he was falsely reported as a mass shooter again on CNN. someone add this... Youtube link below confirms it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6RNaYwNEuw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.38.127 (talk) 00:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I previously posted about this on the talk page but Majora took it down so I'm not sure if this should be here. ( SailingOn (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC) )

Support for Hitler?
This is a smear. Probably a joke by a fan. The link attached to the claim does not say anything about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.186.192.76 (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't know, there's a photo of him Sieg Heiling with weev floating about online... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.37.170.247 (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem that unlikely given the other details in the article. Can you explain why you think this is a smear?--Senor Freebie (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Birdemic 2?
The article claims Sam was in the second Birdemic movie as a "beach goer", having watched the entire moving again I can say he nor Charls Carrol or Nick Rochefort appear in the movie.

The claimed source is an IMDB page. Like Wikipedia, IMDB is a website anybody can edit, unlike Wikipedia it doesn't have strict moderation. It's important to remember that Hyde's fans have a habit of creating spreading rumours and hoaxes. Unless a more reliable source can be found, I suggest the credit be removed. 51.37.54.188 (talk) 10:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * He and the rest of MDE apparently were in Birdemic 2, as per the movie's own credits: i.imgur.com/cCnW5jt.jpg. I'm not sure where exactly he was either; I've never seen him in the movie, but must have been there somewhere in the background. 51.37.91.182 (talk) 20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

In regards to the 'American people of Irish descent' category.
Despite my best efforts, I have found no sources, reliable or otherwise, indicating Samuel is of Irish ancestry. The only clue is his surname, Hyde, which has at least two different origins. One origin from an old English measurement called a hide, the second is a possible Anglicization of the Irish de hÍde, which I assume is either a mutation of the given name Íde or could be a Gaelicization of the English surname. Hyde is also from Massachusetts, a state that had historically high Irish immigration. These two things are the only pieces of "evidence" I've found that may infer Hyde being of Irish decent, unless somebody can prove me otherwise I feel the category has been incorrectly applied. 51.37.70.219 (talk) 04:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2018
24.247.40.84 (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Which sources do you question? Cannolis (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Holocaust denial?
Sam Hyde seems to be a holocaust denier, based on him saying only 200 to 300 thousand Jews died in camps, and then jokingly correcting himself to 20 million, as per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvTnOHSX2Y — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:501:2700:71E4:75DE:11A9:E465 (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Might need to get your ears checked. He clearly said it was 20 million at least. Regardless it was a long comment about why Germany doesn't deserve talented Jewish professionals because 70 years ago, Germany put all its Jewish citizens into concentration camps, which seems completely fair given the whole German Hitler thing!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.121.122 (talk • contribs) 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:BLP/N until it's archived, another YouTube video (mentioned by the NYUlocal source in the lede) was "removed as hate speech". –84.46.52.48 (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please check out WP:SPA and WP:COI. Admittedly I missed that this was your second BLP/N entry affecting Sam Hyde. –84.46.52.44 (talk) 14:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile archived. –84.46.53.186 (talk) 03:34, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Countering claims that Sam Hyde/MDE is "alt-right"
Hello all, I've read some sources countering the claim that Sam Hyde and MDE is affiliated with or promoting the alt-right. All the articles claiming it is alt-right merely reference one article by BuzzFeed's Joseph Bernstein who has something against Sam Hyde. There is nothing to suggest he is alt-right since most of the article is just talking about how alt-right fans enjoy the show more than other political groups.

Furthermore, the original article that all sources are citing offer very little evidence confirming Sam Hyde being alt-right. Even in the original article, he is described as a "libertarian." He has also denied being alt-right in the past.

BuzzFeed also seems to be a questionable source in itself, with biases of a more left-wing nature compared to most outlets. I must also mention that BuzzFeed has a status of "No Consensus" on Wikipedia's Reliable Sources list.

Sam Hyde's interview with the Hollywood Reporter also put those claims to rest.

John Maus also participated in Hyde's show MDE where he stated he never got the impression they were alt-right or "Nazi's" and only distances himself when articles started surfacing claiming otherwise.

I'm new to contributing on Wikipedia so I don't want to make any changes yet without some confirmation, especially in this instance because I may be wrong and not have enough verifiable evidence - however I also want to urge caution on further edits that may parade this view that Sam Hyde is an alt-right figure.

PrinceKael (talk) 13:01, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems like most of the referenced sources claiing Sam to be alt-right are flippant and frankly hitpiece-ish (especially those by Joe Bernstein, who I would subjectively consider to be a biased source as he has had numerous negative encounters with Sam, albeit often initiated by Sam himself). Buzzfeed generally can be a bit iffy when it comes to factual accuracy and are consistently a partisan and biased source . Like PrinceKael, I'm hesitant to edit the article itself in any significant way, but I'd advise future authors not to use sources that are generally regarded as untrustworthy (in this league would be Buzzfeed &al.). Edit: To clarify my stance, I think I should state the following: It seems that Sam is, to an extent, an antisemite. The term "alt-right," however, I think is generally misused and ill-guided. I've seen most accusatory uses of it backed up with minimal or questionable evidence, and I find it often to be nothing but a mechanism to get somebody you don't like in trouble. The term itself is poorly defined and can quickly incite mob fury and justice (especially among the habitual consumers of Buzzfeed, whom I would consider to be predisposed to overestimating the danger and extremeness of popular figures that happen to be right-wing). I wouldn't be opposed to calling him anti-semitic, as he has said a multitude of things in the past that could be considered so. "Alt-right," however, gives the impression that the editor was not acting in the best interest of factual provision, and rather was furthering their already-held beliefs that were apparently based on the reporting of questionable and angry figures (Joe Bernstein would seldom be considered a reputable source in the modern day, especially after his flagrantly inconsiderate reporting on YouTube's Soph; there too, he showed his predisposition to refer to any right-wing or politically heterodox figures as "alt-right"). SapientiaOccidensis (talk) 14:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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Wiki Users Guarding Article and Obfuscating Details
A cursory glance at the edit history will show a large amount of edits receiving instantaneous reversions from specific users.

One can't help but ask if the intent behind these constant revisions is to obfuscate or maintain a specific narrative regarding Sam. For example, any attempt to cite sources where Sam himself acknowledges one of his usernames is immediately hidden. What's likely is the users reverting edits would prefer to let their opinions represent Sam rather than Sam himself, effectively facilitating libel and slander without any form of clarification or response.

This appears as a case of users with bias or political incentives operating in an authoritarian position over articles to which they contribute little to nothing in the way of objectivity.

To anyone familiar with Sam's work, the nature of this article calls into question the perception of Wikipedia as a reliable source. Optional Syntax (talk) 09:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Find reliable sources and proper notability, they'll stick. You've been told this countless times. No politics here, and there was no quality source to whether they had such-and-such control of such-and-such social media platform, along with a straining minimization of grammar any English teacher would copiously red pencil.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:11, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Neutrality
To avoid an edit war I want to talk about the neutrality of the article and the leading section. My gripe is that it seems borderline libellous to assert that someone outright supports 'white supremacist causes' given the negative connotation from such, and how genuine the politics are (especially from a comedian). Again this is simply regarding the neutrality of this argument, I'm not on a PR campaign. As per given sources, it is still a bold assertion. It is up to the reader of the article to draw their own conclusion, it is not Wikipedia's job to tell who may or may not be a 'white supremacist' cause supporter, especially without further identifying what said 'causes' are, it just strikes me as very odd wording. Any argument on the genuineness of the politics behind the donation is pure conjecture without an authoritative statement from Sam Hyde himself. His response, "worry about if people start killing reporters", seems more of a matter of free speech and Hyde himself being facetious. Zedd1997 (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The information is sourced. A neutral presentation of the facts is not "libellous". Readers will draw their own conclusions based on what sources say, so whitewashing the article to downplay sources is non-neutral. Support for The Daily Stormer is, indisputably, support for a white supremacist cause. Being a comedian is a irrelevant, and hipster racism is a flimsy deflection. Since this isn't a platform for public relations, Hyde's statements only belong with context from reliable sources. Grayfell (talk) 20:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Motivation behind the donation cannot be established. This renders the statement about what he "supports" unfounded. Contra10 (talk) 21:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Motivation is irrelevant. Financial support is support. Money doesn't care about motivation. That's kind of the point of money. Sources report on his support of white supremacist causes, so the article will reflect those sources. Grayfell (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Motivation is relevant when concerning a comedian and provocateur like Mr. Hyde. It would be foolish to to interpret his actions at face value. Saying that motivation is irrelevant is myopic and obtuse. Contra10 (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Refute points in the talk section. Do not engage in an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contra10 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia uses sources, not editor opinion. Calling someone a "provocateur" is a vapid defense. Free speech is not a get-out-of-criticism-free card. Comedians are not insulated from criticism, and as I said, hipster racism is still just racism. If sources are being foolish about this, then so will Wikipedia. Grayfell (talk) 23:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

It's funny how bad you wish to cast a scarlet letter upon someone without regard for objectivity. Contra10 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Is he a "provocateur", or is this a scarlet letter, because it can't be both. He clearly wants attention, and he got it. The article will reflect sources either way. Grayfell (talk) 01:10, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that you seem to find it necessary to keep a half-truth in the header of the article. While I understand the negative connotations of donating to Anglin's legal defense, I do not understand how this leads to Mr. Hyde being a perpetual supporter of white suppremacy. As if he was spending his time actively spreading propaganda or attending rallies and marches. It seems to me like you have some sort of ulterior motive. Like you feel the need to brand someone that you clearly have done little of your own research on. I would ask for you to make a consession or two on the wording but I know I'd be wasting my time. You've already made up your mind (which I can assure you is very much closed). You have a narrow world view, or at the very least, a narrow view of art. Contra10 (talk) 03:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Antisemitism Sidebar
There are credible sources pointing at hydes anti-Semitic content/remarks. Most notably his skit on adult swim titled "Jews Rock" which poked fun at the jewish producers on the network. He is a large figure in the "alt-right" and featured on alt-tech platforms such as ifunny.co and gab.com enabling his hate. He was also featured on a poster by neo-nazi Andrew Auernheimer murdering jews in a synagogue. Hyde also appreared on the Gavin McInnes show where he had to be taken off for mockingly crying about the holocaust during the entire show.Bedrockbob (talk) 02:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Neither of the sources you linked describe Hyde (or his views) as antisemitic; the second link is about something Auernheimer (not Hyde) did and the first only talks about Hyde personally (as opposed to the Reddit community) in a line about his donation and connections to white supremacist figures. "Antisemitic" is in general not how reliable sources describe Hyde or his views. It's very difficult to try and divine the views of someone who, as this article describes, "regularly blurs the distinction between himself and his characters" in his comedy; a sketch on Adult Swim called "Jews Rock" doesn't really tell you anything about him on its own. The sidebar would not be appropriate, and neither would describing him as antisemitic until reliable sources do. Volteer1 (talk) 04:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with . I find sources that frequently describe him as alt-right, but not specifically antisemitic. Schazjmd   (talk)  14:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


 * While he has not explicitly said he is antisemitic, his supporters are a hotbed of antisemites. He commonly drops his post-ironic persona and posts racist rambling on subjects such as the stereotypes of black women and various other minority groups including jews. None of these posts are for comedic purposes and since the killing of George Floyd, have only increased. Given these racist statements and evidence pointed out in the article this man is an antisemitic figure who should be labeled as one.Bedrockbob (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources have not explicitly labelled him as antisemitic. We follow the sources. Schazjmd   (talk)  17:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2021
At the end of the introduction, it includes controversies such as mocking the Holocaust, however the link that is provided is actually a quote of another hyperlink of a since removed source, nullifying the credibility of the source as there’s no actual video of him mocking the Holocaust. 2601:587:380:6E00:94EB:F876:E4F1:7503 (talk) 12:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As stated in the cited source, "McInnes also once hosted comedian Sam Hyde on his show, 'The Gavin McInnes Show,' in 2015 where Hyde mocked the Holocaust." —C.Fred (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. It's supported by the source, but the source is a medium post embedded on the student blog NYU Local, definitely not suitable for a BLP. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hyde Vapes
Sam Hyde's new brand of vapes hit the market last year with great success. No talk about this anywhere on his page. I believe he has mocked vapers before and seems hypocritical to offer vaping products. Maybe it is comical to him to get money from a bunch of degenerates in his mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.180.164 (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

If I request that Anthony Fauci's page include his role in torturing puppies, I immediately get banned..
"... something something biography of a living person bla bla..."

But here y'all are openly calling this guy "alt-right".

I loathe Wikipedia editors.

105.166.138.234 (talk) 07:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)its_still_cool_to_be_white

Error on creator clash mention
"Sam Hyde has been open about his interest in boxing, training under Harley Morenstein for the Youtube charity boxing event, Creator Clash." is incorrect. Sam helped train Harley Morenstein, he was not training under him.98.114.134.243 (talk) 17:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Questionable notability
IMO, the article's subject does not meet WP:ENT. The only RS I see about him (as opposed to membership in Million Dollar Extreme or the shooter-placeholder thing) is The Hollywood Reporter, and it's just not enough. Stunts and hoaxes ≠ notability.  Mini  apolis  17:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The fact he has been featured on many networks that are considered by Wikipedia "reputable sources", even as a hoax, and has his show and podcast is enough for notability. Wikipedia is filled with articles about much minor stuff. 240D:1A:98A:3600:D16C:6E47:C372:F1AD (talk) 05:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Sam Hyde interviewed by Joe Bernstein
An in depth view of sam hyde with some interesting insights into Mr Hyde as well as the deep and complex writing style of Mr Bernstein. Dani.GGerman (talk) 05:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

This, and the support from Tim Heidecker should be added to the reasons Sam blamed World Peace being canceled. Sources = videos still on youtube.

"He can't keep getting away with this" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect He can& and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 13 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 20:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Ghost of Kyiv
The article says "In February of 2022, an edited image of Hyde was misidentified as the 'Ghost of Kyiv' (a Ukrainian fighter pilot who supposedly shot down six Russian planes on February 24, 2022)". This should be corrected given somewhat new information that the Ghost of Kyiv is confirmed to be a myth — Preceding unsigned comment added by BsdSylvia (talk • contribs) 18:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2023
change "Samuel Whitcomb Hyde (born April 16, 1985) is an American comedian. He co-created the sketch comedy group Million Dollar Extreme (MDE) with Charles Carroll and Nick Rochefort." to "Samuel Whitcomb Hyde (born April 16, 1985) is an American comedian. He co-created the sketch comedy group Million Dollar Extreme (MDE) with Charles Carroll and Nick Rochefort. In addition to his other successes, he is also a proud member of MENSA as of December 2022."

Source: I spoke with MENSA as well as Sam Hyde about whether or not he was a member in good standing and received the following documentation:


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Please check my request again. I included some documentation received from MENSA to prove Sam Hyde's membership. Gregbingus (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition to the documentation, see the following link below:
 * https://www.credly.com/badges/63e99c69-c6d8-4831-aa88-9467d6dd5ca0/public_url Gregbingus (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this trivia is not reported in any secondary reliable source. M.Bitton (talk) 22:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Open your eyes, M.Bitton. Do you need a secondary source to tell me what color your eyes are? None exist, so your eyes must be colorless. Do you really need more proof than written and signed documentation from MENSA itself as well as a direct link stating that the American Mensa Life Member award was given to Sam Hyde on December 28, 2022? That sounds like two reliable sources, bud. Gregbingus (talk) 13:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There are a few reasons why we'll need reliable secondary sourcing. First, there's no proof what Samuel Hyde these refer to. Second, they could easily be faked. Third, coverage in secondary sources demonstrate that this is WP:DUE. It's not something that is worth including without secondary coverage because it's essentially a scam to get people to pay to say they're smart. If no one else thinks it's important, why should we? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Would a written statement from the membership office suffice as a secondary source? Gregbingus (talk) 13:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That would a primary source, not secondary. It would also not be independent of the article subject. What we need is something published in a reliable source independent of the article subject that discusses this to show that it is WP:DUE for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How about a newsletter from the editor of Samuel Hyde's chapter. Would that confirm his membership? Also, I am confused about the idea of the MENSA organization being a primary source about the article subject (that being Samuel Hyde). I could understand how documentation provided by Samuel himself would be considered primary, but how would proof provided by an organization of which he is a part not be considered secondary proof. For example, would documentation from the DHS not provide enough evidence of someone's citizenship? Would you have to wait for someone else to write about that person's citizenship to finally be enough proof for you? Gregbingus (talk) 15:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please stop marking the request as unanswered. When the topic is under discussion, the request remains closed as not to waste the time of edit request patrollers. A letter from Mensa is a primary source for who is a member of Mensa. A newsletter could be secondary, but not independent, so it still doesn't establish that it is WP:DUE to include. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't help but feel that you are doing everything in your power to rob this man of any semblance of achievement. Where you cannot attack him, you attack the organization (namely MENSA) of which he is a part, calling it a "scam" yet there is an entire page on Wikipedia devoted to Mensa International where never once are your views ("it's essentially a scam...) shared. It sounds like you need to get over to that page and edit your beliefs into there, not here. I have looked into the "sources" provided on many different pages on Wikipedia that people have used as justification to post skewed information and they are far less credible than a written statement from the organization of which someone is a part. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you clearly have never won a single award yourself and so you are content to rob those who have. I am absolutely appalled at my experience thus far. For shame. Gregbingus (talk) 16:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * My mom says I'm smart. That said, please focus on content, not contributors. I don't believe I've ever edited this article, I just patrol edit requests. There are a lot of articles with poor sourcing, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because something can be verified does not mean that it should be included. Articles should contain what independent secondary sources have to say about an article topic, not everything that can be found. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Too bad your mom isn't a credible secondary source... Gregbingus (talk) 16:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * She's not independent either. Good, it seems you're starting to understand the sourcing requirements. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Why, if his name appears on List of Mensans - Wikipedia, will you not let me put this information on his personal page? Gregbingus (talk) 16:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, look at sources 43 and 44 on that page for your secondary sources for this request as well. Gregbingus (talk) 16:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

mensa
Sam is a life member of MENSA yet I don't see this Listed. 64.43.50.175 (talk) 12:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Because it is not covered in reliable, secondary sources, as explained in the section immediately above this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It literally comes straight from MENSA itself. You cannot get a more concrete source than this; I have encountered literally hundreds of things on wikipedia that straight do not have a source at all, let alone a secondary source. Why the sudden apprehension? I can find NUMEROUS pieces of info, with ONLY a primary source in MULTIPLE articles that YOU HAVE DIRECTLY CREATED, ScottishFinnishRadish. So for you to consistently deny Sam Hyde a accurate and fair wikipedia article shows an inherent bias to me. 204.107.221.1 (talk) 14:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you see unsourced information on other articles, please do point it out on the talk pages or remove it. --Pokelova (talk) 15:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Categorization as an alt-right figure
Is this categorization supported by Hyde's own identification in interviews or are the sources for this third party writings? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 00:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

New Pseudonym
Add "Jason Goldstriker" as another psuedonym in the bio panel, from Sam's show Fishtank at https://fishtank.live 2600:1700:6BA0:5BDF:198C:284A:1261:26DE (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

No reliable source for fishtank
The fishtank.live link is a primary source, not a reliable secondary source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.150.164.194 (talk) 03:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Can we add this as a secondary source? https://win.gg/news/what-is-fishtank-a-24-7-stream-contest-gone-rogue/ 204.107.221.1 (talk) 20:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You can but it would be irrelevant anyway, WP:ABOUTSELF covers its inclusion. Tweedle (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

shoutout by NSBM band
It is worth mentioning that Collin Webster, behind the one-man Holocaust denier black metal band Blood Libel goes by the stage name Sam Hyde. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:B00:2970:FC3F:E5E0:7B81:999E (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * no AsyarSaronen (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Description of iDubbz documentary
The article described the iDubbz documentary as an attempt to "understand" Hyde, but from what I've heard, it seems like he was trying to "expose" Hyde and get him to say something that would permanently cancel him and Hyde spent the entire filming of the documentary pranking iDubbz and refusing to reveal anything about his personal beliefs, which would make this description of the video inaccurate. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 13:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no source to allow such a subjective statement on the documentary. Should be removed. AsyarSaronen (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've removed the sentence given that I could not find any RSes about it. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 16:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)