Talk:Sam Smith (disambiguation)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Sam Smith → Samuel Smith –There seems no good reason why a page titled "Sam Smith" should include men called "Samuel" but not women called "Samantha" (such as Samantha Smith (tennis), who calls herself "Sam"). Having a pair of pages "Samuel Smith" for men, and "Samantha Smith" for women, both of which also contain "Sams" as appropriate, would be more logical and "symmetrical". The page "Sam Smith" can then just say "See Samuel Smith or Samantha Smith" Even without this male/female issue, it probably makes more sense to default to the unabbreviated name, Samuel, as the article title. At minimum, it seems no worse to have "Sam onlys" in an article titled "Samuel" than it does to have "Samuel onlys" in an article titled "Sam". 86.179.119.164 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So someone searches for "Sam Smith" and has to go through two disambiguation pages before reaching their target? That's not very friendly.  I'd prefer to see everyone called Sam Smith here.  If there aren't any Samanthas who go by "Sam", so be it.  Powers T 15:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There are Samanthas who go by "Sam", as I mentioned. The difficulty I had in finding her is what prompted me to make this suggestion. If I'd seen a Sam/Samantha choice I would not have had any difficulty. 86.148.152.181 (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose just add the women to the dab list. 65.94.47.217 (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Still unsatisfactory
The organisation of this page is still as unsatisfactory as it was two years ago when the above proposal was rejected. A page titled "Sam Smith" should give equal weight to Samantha Smiths who call themselves Sam and Samuel Smiths who call themselves Sam, whereas currently only Samuels are included and Samanthas are relegated to a "See also" entry. Furthermore, if Sams and Samuels are to be mixed up in one list (which I don't disagree with), it is preferable to use the full name, Samuel, as the article title. In other words, it is better to have people known as Sam listed under Samuel than it is to have people known as Samuel listed under Sam. 86.167.124.147 (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur with this. Samuel should be the main title, and Sam Smith the redirect. The whole issue can be resolved by having two separate pages, one for Samuel Smith, the other for sam Smith. But if one is to be kept for both, Samuel has precedence. See for example our treatment of Robert / Bob / Bobby Smith. The main listing is Robert Smith, whereas Bob Smith and Bobby Smith are redirects. werldwayd (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Highly unusual to have this listing under Sam. We have so many Samuels in the list, we still want to give prominence to Sam. The listing should certainly be under Samuel. Even many of the so-called "Sams" here may also be called Samuel as birth names and known names. werldwayd (talk) 18:18, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sam Smith (singer) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 12:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)