Talk:Samaritan Health Services

CSD 2018 Decmber 18 contestation

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This page should not be speedy deleted because...
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Helios688 (talk) 04:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC) I literally just started working on the page and I'm not as speedy a wikipedia editor as most of you.

Updates have been made fixing the initial errors. Helios688

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedy deleted as lacking sufficient context to identify its subject, because... (your reason here) --Helios688 (talk) 04:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Issues are fixed. Please undo speedy deletion. Helios688 (talk) 04:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposed merge with Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center (Oregon)
insufficient notability for a separate article; better merged to system  DGG ( talk ) 07:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose give than there is some evidence of notability on the basis of independent sources. Klbrain (talk) 08:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Samaritan Albany General Hospital
clearly insufficient significance for a separate article; merge to avoid deletion.  DGG ( talk ) 07:18, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 08:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Samaritan Lebanon Community Hospital
Clearly insufficient information for a separate article; merge to avoid deletion  DGG ( talk ) 07:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 08:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Samaritan Pacific Communities Hospital
Clearly insufficient information for separate article; merge to avoid deletion  DGG ( talk ) 07:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Samaritan North Lincoln Hospital
insufficient justification for a separate article for this very small hospital--better merged  DGG ( talk ) 07:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Disagree, as a Critical Access Hospital involved on coronavirus, it'll have enough info to remain. tedder (talk) 18:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merges (all) 13 February 2019
Hello,

(Full COI disclosure, I'm from Samaritan Health Services Marketing dept. I am willing to propose suggestions, and I do not intend to edit the article myself.)

SHS oversees the operations of five Oregon hospitals: Perhaps we can simply leave the current text, but remove the links and separate pages to the individual hospitals.

Is the use of citations about our separate hospitals to our own site problematic? If it is, I can work on gathering secondary sources.

John At SHS (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Request edit on 4 March 2019
Hello,

(Full COI disclosure, I'm from Samaritan Health Services Marketing dept. I am willing to propose suggestions, and I do not intend to edit the article myself.)

I would like to suggest a lead section providing historical, financial, and governance context.

From "The Samaritan Health Services (SHS) is a non-profit, integrated delivery healthcare system consisting of five hospitals in Oregon and is headquartered in Corvallis, Oregon."

To "Samaritan Health Services (SHS) is a not-for-profit regional health system that brings together community hospitals, physician clinics and health insurance plans to serve more than 250,000 residents of Oregon’s Benton, Lincoln and Linn counties . SHS is governed by a board and is one of the region’s leading employers with its 5,500 employees . SHS was formed over the course of five years beginning in 1997 ."

John At SHS (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Reply 4-MAR-2019
There are issues with the following: Kindly reformulate the proposed lead section along the lines of the suggestions offered here, and feel free to resubmit the edit request at your earliest convenience. Regards,  Spintendo   03:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The proposed lead section contains many references. Regarding these:"Keeping references out of the lead makes it easier to read, and keeps it free of clutter and easier to edit. The explanatory and more detailed text with the references (should be) already found in the article. Since references are used to document specific content, but the lead is a short summation in a generalized and unspecific format, the use of references in the lead is a duplication of effort. If there are any references in the lead, they should be kept to a minimum. If a reference is required in the lead, then that might be a symptom that something is being introduced there that is not in the body of the article, and that would be improper."The use of no less than 7 ref tags in the proposed lead section should be reduced, by placing the references in a proposed main body of text.
 * The proposed lead contains promotional/WP:AWW language:
 * 1) "to serve more than 250,000 residents" is imprecise and implies a need to make the number seem as expansive as possible (i.e., "more than").
 * 2) "one of the region’s leading employers" How is it a leading employer, by leading in retirement plans? In benefits? In hourly wages? In parking? This example is classic WP:AWW and should be left out or re-worded with specificity.
 * "Formed over the course of five years" This amount of time is odd. Why was it that it took 5 years to be "formed"? The lead does not explain this, and a lead section should never raise issues which are left to be explained later — if explained at all.


 * Thanks for the feedback/help, how about the lead stays as is and the addition be moved to the next section? Also, taking into account your edits, I suggest -


 * From
 * Operations
 * SHS operates five hospitals and has over five hundred employed providers in Oregon. The largest hospitals are two Acute Care Hospitals in Corvallis and Albany, and three Critical Access Hospitals(CAHs) in Lebanon, Newport, and Lincoln City.


 * To
 * Background
 * Samaritan Health Services is a not-for-profit regional health system that brings together community hospitals, physician clinics and health insurance plans to serve the 250,000 residents of Oregon’s Benton, Lincoln and Linn counties . At 5,500 employees it has one of the region's largest workforces. Beginning in 1997, five regional hospitals joined together under SHS over the course of five years..

John At SHS (talk) 22:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)