Talk:Same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom/Archive 2

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Why were these papers removed?
Can anyone explain to me why [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom&curid=673235&diff=661913136&oldid=661848408 these papers] were removed from the article? – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 16:29, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you tried asking ? -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of the papers is synthesis. None of articles cited expressly state that any of the papers are opposed to gay marriage. That the magazines publish some anti-gay marriage writers doesn't make them anti-gay marriage magazines; I mean, the New York Times publishes Ross Douthat. Steeletrap (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the clarification! – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 20:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Pitcairn Islands
Pitcairn is a possession of the UK, but not part of it, and there's already a Same-sex marriage in the Pitcairn Islands. I can see adding a sentence towards the end mentioning that marriage is under the authority of overseas territory governments and only Pitcairn has legalized it, but it seems a little overrepresented here. --Jfruh (talk) 04:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed... More than 1 sentence (and nothing of that in the lede) should suffice... L.tak (talk) 05:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Page order
What is the logic in the page ordering here?

One would normally expect these things to be ordered either alphabetically (England/Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland), chronologically (England/Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland) or possibly in order of population (England/Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). The current order respects none of these, but seems to be in the order of first proposal, which does not seem logical.

Looking at the wider point, much of this article seems to be confused as to whether it's trying to describe a chronological history or if it's trying to describe the current situation. What's the "Amendment to civil partnership legislation" section doing in between the description of Scotland and of England/Wales, for example? It doesn't make sense there.

I thus propose to: Does anyone have any thoughts? Kahastok talk 11:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Move the sections Wilkinson v. Kitzinger and Others, Amendment to civil partnership legislation into the background section, and call it "History".
 * Rename the sections on the individual jurisdictions to "England and Wales", "Scotland" and "Northern Ireland", and put them in that order, in the order of the sizes of the populations of the jurisdictions (hence, the number of people affected) and the order in which same-sex marriage came into force.
 * Rename the section "Same-sex consular marriage" to "Consular marriage".


 * These three suggestions seem sensible to me, and I support them. Now that SSM is a fait accompli in the UK it makes sense to restructure things slightly, as we are no longer describing an ongoing process. Your suggested order also makes more sense than the current structure, as does the removal of the redundant "same-sex" in your third bullet point. Archon 2488 (talk) 18:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * All done. Kahastok talk 21:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Overseas Territories -- BIOT
I posted this on the "Recognition of Same-Sex Unions in the British Overseas Territories" talk page as well. Marriage is permitted in Diego Garcia, though one party of the union would be reassigned if marriages occur. http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1300Assignment/Documents/1300-314.pdf As far as British Law, the Overseas Marriage (Armed Forces Order) 2014 seems to be relevant to British personnel as well. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/9780111108802 Andrew1444 (talk) 23:36, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Has there been any confirmation that this applies to BIOT? It's not explicitly listed anywhere in the act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.197.67.106 (talk) 02:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Section about British Overseas Territories
Anon user reorganised the section of the article about British Overseas Territories (diff here). The reorganisation is decent in and of itself, but now that section effectively duplicates the main article Recognition of same-sex unions in the British Overseas Territories. There doesn't seem to me much point having both, but the advantage of having a chronological prose account of same-sex marriage evolution in those territories was that readers could see how the changes went through time from place to place. Either we should:

Jdcooper (talk) 07:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) merge the main article in.
 * 2) split all the info out, leaving only a summary.
 * 3) go back to before anon user's reorganisation.

Recognition by Christian Churches
Quakers and Unitarians are not Christians. The Quakers are acredal (they have no creed at all) and the Unitarians do not accept The Trinity. Neither are members of World Council of Churches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.254.201.36 (talk) 08:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)