Talk:Sames I

Sames or Samos
I am not clear about the name of the article: The only source presented inside the article clearly mentions Samos: Furthermore, I tried to locate either name in bibliography:
 * Michael Blömer 2009: "The city was renamed Samosata by a predecessor of the Commagenian royal fam- ily, the Armenian king Samos I, in the 3th century BCE"
 * Greek Coins and Their Values, Volume 2, David R. Sear, Seaby, 1978, p. 533: "Kingdom of Comaggene... Samos c. 140-130 B.C. (possibly founder of Samosata on the Euphrates, capital of Commagene. ... ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΣΑΜΟΥ ... ΘΕΟΣΕΒΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΥ" My notes: ΣΑΜΟΥ in latin characters is SAMOU (in declesion, meaning "OF SAMOS") (in principle it could also be "OF SAMES" - no way to distinguish) (this could be Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, clearly mentioned in the article as Sames or Samos II Theosebes Dikaios
 * Such numismatic evidence is usually referring to Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, see coins here and here, were both refer to Sames (but I wonder - do their opinions they carry the same weight as those of historians)
 * Greek translation of Theodore Reinach's The Comaggene Dynasty: here, uses the version Σάμος (Samos)
 * Nemrud Dağı, Theresa Goell, ‎Donald Hugo Sanders, 1996, Page 367 "Puchstein's epigraphic interpretation was not unambiguous; the name of the father could be read or restored to Samos (Sames) or Arsames. Puchstein had decided to read Samos; Honigmann (1963: 981) decided likewise to read Samos; Reinach and" ... "Samos was the "founder" of Samosata in the same way that his son Arsames was "founder" of Arsameia " (also in page368 "Chronologically, this king Samos belongs to the first half of the first century B.C.E.")

I would also like to mention that there is no mention of "Σαμωσ", which is clearly a mistake (ω is out of place - no such evidence or grammar interpretation and σ at the end of the word becomes always ς, no accent).

Based oh the above:


 * 1) I will change the clearly mistaken "Σαμωσ" to "Σάμος" (this has been copied to several wikipedias in other languages)
 * 2) I will modify the text to make clear mention in the beginning "Samos or Sames", similarly to the case of Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, as supported by bibliography,
 * 3) I am proposing to move the article to the name Samos of Commagene, keeping the text as above, mentioning both names
 * 4) I cannot find any reference to everything much of the text of the article. I will therefore place  in these sections, which appear to me to be on a very weak basis (t put it mildly)
 * 5) The opinion of people who have contributed to the article is valuable, but really only User:Eupator has actually contributed logged in, the majority of the rest of the information comes from an ip see here. So, User:Eupator, you are welcome to help.

--FocalPoint (talk) 08:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)