Talk:Samoyed dog/Archive 1

Initial comment
This page seems rather long on praise and short on useful description... KJ —Preceding undated comment added 03:02, 31 January 2003 (UTC)

Laika as a famous Samoyed?
Look at the pictures of Laika. Do you really find something similliar to Samoyed in her appearance? She was weighing 6 kg (13 lb). Her nose was long and narrow. She was neither white. The article says: "She was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow." Who can know what was her origin? My suggestion is to remove information about Laika as a famous Samoyed. Greetings! PrzemekL 07:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I added some real famous Samoyeds. I agree with you about Laika as a famous Samoyed.  I think that claim is dubious at best.  Phrique 15:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Tails
While the curled-back tail is descriptive of the pedigree/dog-show calibre samoyed, I do know that there are a few that have tails that just hang down like most other dog breeds (and yes, they were purebred). Is it typical to describe the pedigree only or to mention such variations in the article? Confusing Manifestation 17:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I prefer to mention such variations in the article because it shows that even purebred dogs have great variation and are not all show-quality dogs. Many dog breed articles mention such variants (and point out something along the lines of being not show-quality). Elf | Talk 18:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In which case I guess I'll be bold. Confusing Manifestation 18:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Country of origin
In the article is written that the country of origin should be "Siberia". This is only part of the truth. Samoyed dogs were found from Arkhangelsk in Northwest Russia to the Yenissey river in Western Siberia. For more information on the history of the Samoyed dog, please visit my web site at www. oldsams.info. I therefor have changed Siberia into: Northern Russia and Western Siberia. Pieter Keijzer

Dotunga 19:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Length of nose
I have seen a fairly large number of samoyeds, and the appear to fall roughly into two groups: those with shorter noses and chow like faces, and those with longer noses whose face shape vaguely resembles a huskey.

Is this a formal property of the breed? Cdyson37 08:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't see such a thing in my books on breeds or in the breed standards. The Chow has a much scrunchier, thicker muzzle than any Samoyeds I've seen (although I haven't seen a lot and I do rely on photos in breed books & web sites). There are 2 breeds that are usually all white but smaller than the Samoyed--American Eskimo Dog and Japanese Spitz--whose muzzles are a bit pointier than the S; could you have been seeing these?  Elf | Talk 14:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Definately samoyeds. Maybe there are just samoyeds out there with different length noses. Cdyson37 21:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * There's definitely a WIDED variety in the nose length in this breed. I've had numerous Samoyeds and Siberian Huskies, and they both range from shortish sized muzzles to long.  I have two purebred Samoyeds right now, and one's muzzle is approximately 1" shorter than the other.  That's just a standard variation I'd guess.  Phrique 15:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The contemporary Samoyed is a descendant of Nenets' sled dog. He was a little bigger and had visibly longer nose. Probably dogs in this type are still alive on the Yamal Peninsula. Look at the pictures here: Aboriginal Samoyed Dogs of the Yamal Penisula. There are several great articles on this topic here: Russian Branch of Primitive Aboriginal Dogs Society (but this site is temporairly unaviable now, try later). After a limited number of Samoyeds were imported to Europe shortly there were kept eight different bloodlines in kennels. It was possible to distinguish three different types of head, called: the bear type, the fox type and the wolf type. The rest depends on a way they were breeded and selected for reproduction. It's a matter of fashion but many of referees on dog shows prefer Samoyeds with short noses. PrzemekL 20:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

there are oly 2 types of nose... Fox face and bear face hence there is no 'wolf face' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.192.6 (talk) 05:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Tails
Tail set is over the back. If the tail is usually down and only up when on the move or excited, this means probably the dog has a low tail set. Whilst the dog might still be a Samoyed, one of the things that distinguishes it from other breeds is incorrect. The Samoyed is part of the Spitz genus. Spitz dogs typically have upright ears and a tail carried over the back. The differences between Spitz breeds are sometimes quite precise, therefore the things that keep the breeds apart must be preserved. Hazel Fitzgibbon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.213.164 (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Lifespan
The article says nothing about the breeds average lifespan. Which i think is important to have. Other than that the article seems very correct in my experience of owning a samoyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.152.184 (talk) 04:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC) And me

Samoyeds are known to have a name like bear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.155.17 (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Working dogs
samoyed are working dogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.39.24 (talk) 02:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

www.samoyed.org?
Is www.samoyed.org out of business, or just temporarily offline? I'm especially fond of Vladimir Beregovoy's page on "Aboriginal Samoyed Dogs of the Yamal Peninsula," undated, that used to be online at http://www.samoyed.org/yamalsams.html. I was able to access it on 2/4/05. Has this page moved somewhere else? If so, can someone please update the links? Thanks! HuMcCulloch (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just checked samoyed.org website and, as of 6:00 PM EDT on September 28, 2009, it is up. The page you linked to is also up. Coaster1983 (talk) 22:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Competitive Sledding
A team of sammies won TWO ISDRA championships (Nationally and Internationally)in 2003 and 2004. To say that these dogs are not competitive is unfair. Samoyeds can be competitive sled dogs if they have been properly bred in accordance to what they were in the arctic. Sadly enough most of the show breeders have lost site of this. The two dogs that won the ISDRA championships are also AKC champions and one won the 2004 Samoyed nationals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.17.8.221 (talk) 17:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

"Temperament" section requiring cleanup?
Whoever identified the "Temperament" section as requiring cleanup has mentioned no reasons as to why. The section, as it is now, strikes me as complete. If someone has a strictly Style-oriented quibble they should say so. I certainly don't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.9.205 (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The cleanup tag was added in this edit, because a user kept on trying to remove the the temperament section because they thought that it contained original research and was opinionated. The biggest problem with that section is its lack of reliable sources; I've therefore added a more specific tag to it. Graham 87 14:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation of "Samoyed"
From what i have seen in some of my reserch on Samoyeds is that there are two different, correct pronounciations for it depending on the breeder/area.
 * Remember "Sammy" and "Ed". That helps my mom. Sammy-Ed. Samoyed. ANNAfoxlover 00:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

What i have found is that it is but munched "sam-oy-ed" and "sam-ey-ed" Has anyone else noticed this or is my source incorrect? if not, should it be included in the article? Ta Tekana 22:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't heard the 2nd variety, but I haven't been around this breed or its owners much at all, so I can't confirm or deny it. Sometimes listening to the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on TV, where the official announcer (not the TV commentators) states the breed name, helps to get the name's pronunciation right. Elf | Talk 14:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I personally, have always pronounced it "sam-ey-ed". I was just flicking through the net earlier and I discovered a website that claim there are several different pronounciations. But according to neither yours nor mine is correct. There, it is pronounced "sam-a-yed" BUT further reserch again claim "sam-oy-ed" is correct. Then just to confuse matters even more stated "sam-ey-ed" but "sam-oy-ed" is an acceptable varient. My head is beginning to spin here, your thoughts? Tekana (O.o) Talk 18:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Pronounce it with short "o", sa-mo-yed. In fact the word "Samoyed" means "self-eater", canibal in Russian language. Russians used to call Nenets people in this way. The dog's name is an abbreviation of "Samoyedskaya sobaka" what means "Samoyeds' dog". PrzemekL 20:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I used the Merriam-Webster guide for pronunciation in the article header, which was conspicuously lacking in pronunciation advice. M-W favours "sam-uh-yed", as I hear it (I have no idea what this is in IPA notation). If other dictionaries disagree, I suggest creating a new section on pronunciation in the article and listing them there.GM Pink Elephant (talk) 12:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the confusion is because in Russian, there is definitely an "O" there; but in the standard literary pronunciation (like RP in England, somewhat close to Moscow accent) it is invariably pronounced "Ah". You can pronounce "O" as deep as you like, and it will sound like ye olde pronunciation or old-timey regional accent. It'll not be a mistake. In modern Russian, it is pronounced "Sahm-ah-yeahd" (Sahm - like "some", very short "ah"). The "ey" variant above is most likely provided to approximate the transition from "ah" to "yeah". 176.195.39.106 (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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