Talk:Samudra Manthana

Chronology issue
This article indicates that the Asura king at the time of the Kurma avatar was Bali, the grandson of Prahalad, the son of Hiranyakashipu. Hiranyakashipu was the Asura king killed by Vishnu as Narasimha avatar, which is two avatars after Kurma avatar - Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, Narasimha... We know that the second sentence is factually correct. Therefore, the first sentence cannot, because of the chronological conflict. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokytsyntyst (talk • contribs) 05:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright issue
I have added the "Symbolism of Samudra Manthan" section. However the material in this section has been taken from the page hinduwebsite.com/churning.htm. Although I have tried to modify and shorten it, it still resembles the original and I am not sure if this constitutes a copyright violation. Please advise or do the needful. Thanks. Rohitbd 12:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

It surely is a copyright violation because I have writeen it for Hinduwebsite.com and you will not find a similar interpreation anywhere else. Author Jayaram V. And thanks for taking it out.


 * While the symbolism is indeed beautiful, it is the first time I have come across it (i.e. the symbolism, not the story of the churning). Was the symbolism written by a renowded sage, or is it an opinion piece on the website? If it is indeed part of a famous bhashyam, then it may not hurt to keep the section. If not, removing it might be a good idea. Adityan 21:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The symbolism has been taken from the page above (hinduwebsite.com/churning.htm) which is a Hinduism related site and it seems logical - by the same reasoning for the Symbolism of Ganesha. Rohitbd 11:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Definitely merge, the two articles are about the same subject, one with English name, the other with Indian. --BostonMA 18:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose, Ocean of milk or Kshirasagara is a separate entity, where Vishnu reclines over the Shesha Naga, with his consort Lakshmi. On the other hand Samudra manthan or Churning of the Ocean of Milk was only a episode that took place there! --Ekabhishek (talk) 09:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus(talk) 04:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Samudra mathanam → Samudra manthan – Restore to old name. The article name "Samudra mathanam" currently uses the nominative singular form of the root "samudra-mathan", which is not the convention of naming Hinduism-related articles. Ganesha, Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, Rama, Surya, Indra etc. are all root forms, not nominative singulars like "Ganeshah" et al. Nominative singular are used for Brahma, Iravan where the root Brahman (masuline the personal god; neuter the Spirit Brahman) or Iravat (masuline: Iravan; feminine: Iravati) do not sinularly identify the article subject. Also, Ganesha, Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, Rama, Surya, Indra, Brahma have become part of other Indian languages in this form. The same applies to Samudra manthan. Though the original root word is "mathan" in Sanskrit, the vernacular corruption "manthan" has become much other popular. "Samudra mathan" gives 3 results with "Did you mean: "samudra manthan" v/s "Samudra manthan" 972 . On wikipedia, nothing links to the words "Samudra mathan"  or "Samudra mathanam"  v/s "Samudra manthan". Redtigerxyz Talk 16:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge with Kurma
Kurma is only small part of the Samudra manthan legend. Discussing the list of ratnas, Mohini, Kumbha Mela in detail is WP:UNDUE in Kurma. Also discussing Kurma as the supporter of the earth is UNDUE in this article. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The meaning of the story
I know this is original research, but I want to tell you the real meaning of this story, which is not a myth but a mythological guise of an astronomical event. Even B.G. Sidharth recognized the meaning of the churning of the milk ocean as the rotation of the earth ("The celestial key to the Vedas" page 110).

The serpent Vasuki is the constellation Draco. The gods and Asuras changed the respective sides of Vasuki and the mountain Mandara (the Northpole) was first located on the sea (the ice of the North Pole is located on the sea) before it was situated on the shield of Kurma (the ice cap of the South Pole, which lies on Antarctica, which then became the North Pole).

This means undubitable a shifting of the petrosphere over the asthenosphere of the earth, because Vasuki (the constellation Draco) was still lying around the pole (the mountain Mandara) and serving as churning rope. So the earth can not have been tilted over because then its axis would have changed its direction in the sky and Draco no more would have been located around the pole.

The story is a part of the story of the flood, given in the Puranas. In that event Vishu first rescued Manu as Matsya-Avatar, then lifted the earth out of the water as Varaha and after that supported the Mandara mountain as Kurma. All this are astronomical descriptions wrapped in mythological pictures and NOT fairy tales.--87.178.208.82 (talk) 21:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Title Change
Title sound be samudra manthana, not manthan. can someone please change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.177.134 (talk) 06:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Wikiproject Cambodia
I could not find a reason this is part of Wikiproject Cambodia, there for I've removed it from said project, please tell me if you objectHelloimahumanbeing (talk) 21:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

About the meaning
As already B.G. Sidharth had shown (The Celestial Key to the Veda) this "myth" shows an increasing of the speed of the spin of the earth. Mount Meru is the northpole (according to the Hindu tradition once located in India) the serpent Vasuki the constellation Draco. The turquois symbolizes the southpole on which the earth lies. The Gods are located in the east, the Asuras in the west. That's the meaning of this image. There is another indian tradition in different sources which confirms the above interpretation: according to several sources (f.e. Bhavishia Purana 1.2.88) a day once consisted of 30 Muhurtas while it are now 24 hours. The earth rotates 360°/day. 360 : 30 = 12°/hour. 360 : 24 = 15°/hour. So this in fact evidently shows an increasing of the speed of the rotation of the earth. 2003:F5:F741:6900:C838:44E8:CCF1:9918 (talk) 11:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)