Talk:Samuel Mikovíni

In the Slovakian and English Wikipedia it states that he was born in Cinobaňa, 1686. In the Hungarian and Esperanto version you can find Ábelová, 1700. Does anyone know the correct date and place? --80.98.154.124 11:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

1686 Cinobaňa (Turíčky) is correct. Juro 01:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

No, the correct is Ábelová (Ábelfalva, Abelova), 1700.
 * Matej Bel wrote in the Notitia Hungariae..., IV. book, page 68. that Mikoviny born in Ábelová
 * http://www.geodat.szm.sk/zaujimavosti/stranky/zobrazovanie_slovenska.htm
 * http://www.snk.sk/hkdaf/mikoviny.htm
 * http://www.sulinet.hu/eletestudomany/archiv/2000/0020/mikoviny-s/mikoviny.html
 * http://www.joszerencset.hu/eletrajz/mikoviny_eng.htm

Peppe83 13:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Abélová is just an error proliferation, I have checked all modern texts of the Slovak Academy of Sciences I have at hand, they all say "1686 - Turičky" (also the Slovak wikipedia article is copied from an SAS online text, if you want online sources). If this contradicts the Notitia Hungariae, then actually it is a good reason to belive that the 1686 date is correct, because everybody writing about him knows the Notitia. Juro 20:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The mentioned text really says 1686, Cinobaňa but what are their sources? They found the original birth certificate, or any other authoritative document?

All texts says that he stutied at German universties around 1720, and we can follow his carrier from this point. More realistic that he was only 20 years old at that time, not 34-35. What does he do from age 20 to age 34?? Even the Slovak Academy of Sciences can't tell this...

Furthermore, Matej Bel knows him well; some sources says that Bel was the teacher of Mikoviny in the middle school... They worked together on the Notitia, which was printed within 1735-42. Mikoviny created the maps, and the pictures, Bel created the texts, so I think, Bel's description about Mikoviny can't be wrong.

I hope somebody able to answer this questions. Peppe83 21:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, I think his correct name is Mikoviny, not Mikovíni. He rarely used the Mikovíni, Mikovényi names, usually wrote his name as Mikoviny, you can see this in one of his works here:



It is not only the Academy of Sciences, all modern books are saying this (while all old book were saying the other alternative). I do not have his complete biography, but I am quite sure they have found something, otherwise it is impossible to confuse two completely different dates and places. And as for his name, I have the title page of his Epistola in front of me, and it says "Samvelis Mikovini...", so that this can hardly be a "rare" form of his name. On the other hand, I see he himself is signing with -ny in two other texts, which certainly justifies a move. Thanks for that information, I always thought the -ny form is modern spelling. Juro 23:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Peppe83 22:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The current version is acceptable for me temporarily, but I will try to find more information about his early life. Peppe83 09:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)